loose change - 9/11 was an inside job

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:53 am

don't even think of responding unless you've watched it through. i was a skeptic too, once.

loose change
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ange+recut

Everybody's Gotta Learn Sometime
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 8400743688

topcatt · Post by **topcatt** » Mon May 07, 2007 11:36 am

paolo · Post by **paolo** » Mon May 07, 2007 1:46 pm

I've posted these before, and I might do so again

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/02 ... #more-1041

http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007/02 ... #more-1043

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:22 pm

TopCatt wrote:everyone knows it

about 72% of us know it by now anyway.

vonboyage · Post by **vonboyage** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:28 pm

drgk wrote:about 72% of us know it by now anyway.

ana · Post by **ana** » Mon May 07, 2007 2:57 pm

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:47 pm

"The film’s greatest flaw is this: the men who made it are still alive. If the US government is running an all-knowing, all-encompassing conspiracy, why did it not snuff them out long ago? There is only one possible explanation. They are in fact agents of the Bush regime, employed to distract people from its real abuses of power. This, if you are inclined to believe such stories, is surely a more plausible theory than the one proposed in Loose Change."

if they had complete power i'd be dead now too, that is what WE ARE TRYING TO PREVENT!

debunking the debunking....

first of all your blog article fails to address many of the most concerning pieces of evidence, and disregards the testimony of many experts interviewed that you can not characterize as unreliable because of what subject they teach in college. Regarding the creators editing techniques, if that is the best you can do to refute the FACTUAL information contained, we got you on the ropes.

If none of these concerns were legitimate maybe they could be debunked one by one. Instead what we see is a consistant effort by the right wing to ELIMINATE discussion on this subject by ridiculing those who voice support of it. The closest FOX or MSNBC or CNN comes to touching the subject is bashing Rosie O'Donnell, Charlie Sheen (the most bashable of 9/11 celebrity endorsers) or talking about "conspiracy theories". Victim's family members have appeared on O'Reily in support of the 9/11 truth movement and been insulted and attacked!

WE DO indeed see people attacked for expressing this belief, no we are not safe from government opression. While the media members who come out in support of these theories are merely attacked with smear campaigns, actual witnesses and experts have been threatened, murdered and disappeared for telling people what they know.

first sign someone lied to you, when they start revising earlier statements or claiming earlier statements were made in error, ie building 7 (now officials are saying: we never claimed it was brought down by fire, we always said it was demolished on purpose)

keep going, i'll keep coming right back at ya! if you want to go point by point though the whole movie we can. i doubt if you will since there isn't evidence to back up a lie, you'll probably just start smearing me like FOX.

here we go this article makes lots of points, none of which are the major poinst of the 9/11 truth movement, nor does it recommend an independant investigation, something that would put us all at ease.

popular mechanics - debunking 9/11
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 27842.html
debunking popular mechanics article that claims to debunk 9/11 conspiracy
http://www.v911truth.org/drg.html

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Mon May 07, 2007 3:59 pm

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:02 pm

So what.

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:09 pm

Daft tnuc wrote:http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

more smear. disregarded.

wow that response was quick. they recut and added a disclaimer because FOX news and others are suing them to keep them from using news footage that "belongs" to them. bfd.

doesn't it say something that these people release their films on youtube free for all? sometimes getting the truth out is more important than making a buck. unlike whoever came up with selling medalions made out of wtc rubble.

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:35 pm

drgk wrote:
Daft tnuc wrote:http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/
more smear. disregarded.

wow that response was quick. they recut and added a disclaimer because FOX news and others are suing them to keep them from using news footage that "belongs" to them. bfd.

doesn't it say something that these people release their films on youtube free for all? sometimes getting the truth out is more important than making a buck. unlike whoever came up with selling medalions made out of wtc rubble.

I don't wish to convince anybody. Just wonder if you watched this - with as much objectivity - before calling it smear.

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Mon May 07, 2007 4:40 pm

this film is a complete load of shit!

some people are willing to believe ANYTHING!

ill sort u out with a link to a film witch completely discredits the whole thing

dougd · Post by **dougd** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:07 pm

I recently came across this film on YouTube which is a pretty insightful examination of the 9/11 conspiracy. Highly recommended!

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Mon May 07, 2007 5:13 pm

DougD wrote:I recently came across this film on YouTube which is a pretty insightful examination of the 9/11 conspiracy. Highly recommended!

yeh this is highly recommended

educate yo'self!

misk · Post by **misk** » Mon May 07, 2007 6:19 pm

http://www.429truth.com/ what their not telling us!

parson · Post by **parson** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:09 pm

Bob Crunkhouse wrote: some people are willing to believe ANYTHING!

the irony

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 9:35 pm

now that i threw some gas on the fire....

dougd · Post by **dougd** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:15 pm

Now that you've thrown some gas on the fire, the supporting internal beams of this forum will burn through, leading to a systemic collapse that COULDN'T just be caused by a bad post impacting the Secret Ninja Hideout at high velocity.

DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE??????

drgk · Post by **drgk** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:28 pm

DougD wrote:Now that you've thrown some gas on the fire, the supporting internal beams of this forum will burn through, leading to a systemic collapse that COULDN'T just be caused by a bad post impacting the Secret Ninja Hideout at high velocity.

DON'T YOU PEOPLE SEE??????

:wink:

hey i try to mix it up. see shaolin vs ninja posts. can't be all a downer!

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue May 08, 2007 7:27 am

http://skepdic.com/refuge/bunk27.html

You can read this one too, posted it in the last 9/11 thread. Apparently the guy who wrote it was also accused of being a right wing stooge which seems to be pretty standard for anyone that doesn't think that the WTC collapse was caused by Bush/Mossad/Satan/Aliens/Liberal Media/sizan/Illuminati/Freemasons

Really suggest reading the book "Them" by Jon Ronson, really gets to grips with various conspiracy theorists across the world. Odd how many of these groups are from areas that are/were highly religious, and how each group blames a different group for their "persecution". Get the feeling that people want to believe something a lot of the time regardless of the reasoning

I get the feeling that CT's and religion both cherry-pick the bits that substantiate their version of events and then ignore or pour scorn on anything that conflicts with that. If there's actual substantiated evidence instead of hearsay upon hearsay I might take it more seriously. There are also coincidences but again these are no indicator unless you start adding coincidences together. I'm pretty sure if you stare long and hard at a subject long enough (especially one of the magnitude of 9/11) you'll be able to find indicators of pretty much anything.

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