Is C2 too low of a note for sub bass?

Grimenoceros · Post by **Grimenoceros** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:56 pm

Quick question here, I normally don't have a problem making sub, but for this next track I set the root to C, and C3 just sounds too high and not car-shaking, and then C2 is inaudible both on headphones and barely felt in my car. Its not my subwoofers, they're functioning jusstt fine, and hell even my older tracks the sub still sounds fine. Im just thinking maybe its that C2 is too low.

Sumised question: what's the best note for a sub to get that traditional rattle/vibration, without going too low?

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:13 pm

Do you mean C1? C2 is easily audible on all my listening devices. I normally stay away from C1 though, lowest I go is D1.

MikkiFunk · Post by **MikkiFunk** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:37 pm

Sorry but have people on here just completely forgotten the use of their ears lol? Why don't you just play about and see which works best. The lower you go with subs the more you're going to lose the punch in it, just stay in a range where you can retain its 'roundness' without sacrificing too much punch in a bid to make it feel earth shakingly low and rumbly . If you really want to go a lot lower where you struggle to hear the sub a lot maybe try layering a square wave over it (lp filtered of course) to give the sub some more punch...

Weskr · Post by **Weskr** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:47 pm

How are we suppose to know what key is "too low for sub"? Depends on how you make your sub. And also, if you can't hear it there is two possibilities:
1) You have a lousy system. Use your ears, and buy some monitors for yourself.
2) ...

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 8:50 pm

Where "Sub Bass" actually is, is a bit miffed, some people say its between 30-200hz, some say its between 20-90, some 25-100, and so on and so on.. So lets to not get into an arguement you're going to be looking at building sub bass what sits between to band of 40hz-100hz (taking into consideration not EVERY system in the world will be hitting below 40 and anything above 100 'might' not have a good enough punch)

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So now lets look at this chart.

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/graphics/notes.GIF

So working from that table, we "should" be working between the notes E1 and A2 so nearly an octave and a half of notes thats plenty so the next step is to write your bassline.

http://www.dubstepforum.com/legend4ry-s ... 43648.html

VirtualMark · Post by **VirtualMark** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:04 pm

google 'note frequency chart', it shows you where each note hits! i've heard e, f and g are good for sub bass!

ToxicBass · Post by **ToxicBass** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:51 pm

Just play the notes and see where it peaks on a spectrum analyser. If it peaks within the frequency ranges legend4ry stated in his post then your good.

Big Freq · Post by **Big Freq** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 9:54 pm

C2 is not too low.

Its not uncommon to go down as low as E1.

Grimenoceros · Post by **Grimenoceros** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:20 pm

Knew I was gonna get some cheeky replies. Yes, my ears are plenty decent, that's why I'm able to make decent tunes for only 3.5 months of producing, my sound system is the tits and I have 2 12" Kicker CVRs on an 1100w amp and I mix on Shure 440s so there's nothing wrong with my setup, thanks very much.

I suppose I just started doing something wrong along with the way over the course of this last track and just didn't realize where I fudged it. I'll go back and re-work my synth and mixer channel. The reason I wanted to make this topic was to make sure I wasn't losing my mind. I also posted it from my phone while out so I couldn't google a freq chart, so:

legend4ry wrote:
Where "Sub Bass" actually is, is a bit miffed, some people say its between 30-200hz, some say its between 20-90, some 25-100, and so on and so on.. So lets to not get into an arguement you're going to be looking at building sub bass what sits between to band of 40hz-100hz (taking into consideration not EVERY system in the world will be hitting below 40 and anything above 100 'might' not have a good enough punch)

---------------

So now lets look at this chart.

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/graphics/notes.GIF

So working from that table, we "should" be working between the notes E1 and A2 so nearly an octave and a half of notes thats plenty so the next step is to write your bassline.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/legend4ry-s ... 43648.html

Is very nice and helpful, thank you so much. Now I know it's something I'M doing wrong since C2 is in fact the perfect range. And I even knew that, because that's been the root area for my previous tracks too.

I think I'm obsessing a bit too much lately and it's turning my common sense to mush. Thanks guys!

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Thu Jun 09, 2011 11:24 pm

C2 is a little high in my opinion, but whatevs.

amphibian · Post by **amphibian** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:29 am

I'm pretty sure I hit D0/D1 most the time. D0 is barely audible, but if you have a sub - you'll feel it like nothing else. Anything under that makes no difference imo. Listen, use your ears.

lyons238 · Post by **lyons238** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:32 am

i dont even pay attention to the notes or frequencies i just do wut sounds gud

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:48 am

D0? gheeeet ooooouuuuuttta here.

lyons238 · Post by **lyons238** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:51 am

nowaysj wrote:D0? gheeeet ooooouuuuuttta here.

thats gotta be what like 15hz or something? cuz most subs will only go down to 20hz, which is what the human ear can hear down to.

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:55 am

Probably makes your room really cold though haha.

amphibian · Post by **amphibian** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 12:56 am

nowaysj wrote:D0? gheeeet ooooouuuuuttta here.

I must have my octaves mixed up then. All I remember is having E1 an octave higher, and not hearing any sub (and being quite confused) and then knocked it down an octave and WOAH, sub!

Must be E1 then (e sorry, not d).

My sub goes down to 28hz, so it's definitely not lower than that.

paravrais · Post by **paravrais** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:04 am

Grimenoceros wrote:Knew I was gonna get some cheeky replies. Yes, my ears are plenty decent, that's why I'm able to make decent tunes for only 3.5 months of producing, my sound system is the tits and I have 2 12" Kicker CVRs on an 1100w amp and I mix on Shure 440s so there's nothing wrong with my setup, thanks very much.

Yo where did you get your ego from dude? I've been thinking of replacing mine and it sounds like you've bought top of the range!

amphibian · Post by **amphibian** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:05 am

*like* lol

lyons238 · Post by **lyons238** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 1:21 am

paravrais wrote:
Grimenoceros wrote:Knew I was gonna get some cheeky replies. Yes, my ears are plenty decent, that's why I'm able to make decent tunes for only 3.5 months of producing, my sound system is the tits and I have 2 12" Kicker CVRs on an 1100w amp and I mix on Shure 440s so there's nothing wrong with my setup, thanks very much.
Yo where did you get your ego from dude? I've been thinking of replacing mine and it sounds like you've bought top of the range!

haha! i was going to say something like 2 kicker cvrs and a 1100 amp are not the tits in my eyes but maybe to some...

Grimenoceros · Post by **Grimenoceros** » Fri Jun 10, 2011 2:16 am

Yo where did you get your ego from dude? I've been thinking of replacing mine and it sounds like you've bought top of the range!

It's not ego, I swear. I just see comments like this:

Weskr wrote:How are we suppose to know what key is "too low for sub"? Depends on how you make your sub. And also, if you can't hear it there is two possibilities:
1) You have a lousy system. Use your ears, and buy some monitors for yourself.
2) ...

And get a little bothered, because it's assumptive. And I mean to say for $1k? It's a pretty bangin system, it obviously is nowhere near the crazy car audio stuff, possibly tame in some people's eyes, but it rattles the shit out of my truck and anyone near it, and that's all I need, you know? And it's all I need to monitor sub levels.

At the rate of attracting any more drama to myself by saying something stupid, let me reiterate: I already concede this was a stupid topic and I made it when I was not in my right mind. So kindly disregard lol. I lost my mind mid day and thought the frequencies up and moved around on me and only me or some shit. It's the heat, I swear.

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