setting levels on fruity loops?

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:25 pm

i dont no how to upload a picture so i had to do a link to the picture on photobucket,sorry

http://s957.photobucket.com/albums/ae59 ... ething.jpg

am i setting my levels here or here lol do i set them on the basis of the sound hits x amount of db (the arrow on the right hand side) or do i set it underneath the sound at -9(arrow on the left)??
cheers

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:33 pm

The slider is turning the sounds up / down.

The meter (the thing on the right) is what volume (Db) the sound is peaking at.

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:37 pm

ok so i have read u set drums at -9db rite,so i set it so they peak at -9db not so the slider beneath the sound selected is at -9db

Teknicyde · Post by **Teknicyde** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:40 pm

swoggles wrote:ok so i have read u set drums at -9db rite,so i set it so they peak at -9db not so the slider beneath the sound selected is at -9db

Bingo, but dont hold those numbers so close to heart, they will be different for every tune!

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 1:41 pm

sweet,i got confused and was setting things far to low then,that wood be why it was super quiet,cheers guys

benjam · Post by **benjam** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:37 pm

Teknicyde wrote:
swoggles wrote:ok so i have read u set drums at -9db rite,so i set it so they peak at -9db not so the slider beneath the sound selected is at -9db
Bingo, but dont hold those numbers so close to heart, they will be different for every tune!

+1 on that.

Teknicyde · Post by **Teknicyde** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:06 pm

swoggles wrote:sweet,i got confused and was setting things far to low then,that wood be why it was super quiet,cheers guys

ARe you sure things sound 'super quiet'?

You should mix with your speakers as loud as they go and your DAW's meters as low as you can keep them, comparing your track in terms of clarity and impact, not in terms of actual volume... If you mix with everything as low as possible and then normalize your final, mixed down wav, youll be surprised how 'loud' things will be...

Turn your speakers up, keep your levels low... At the end, normalize the track, and put your speaker how they normally would be when you listen.

See moneyshot thread at the top of the page.

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:14 pm

im afraid i still get confused with how to do half that stuff,i need to learn more but youtube doesnt always help me, i tend to learn by being shown in front of me whilst i ask loads of annoying and stupid questions! i cant hav music loud though as my parents hate bass lol but same principle with good headphones wood work? and what does normalizing do and how do i do that exactly? is it a fx on the master thing in the mixer? sorry if these questions are stupid but have little understanding of music,getting there slowly though,my tracks have improved from picking bits up off of this forum
cheers so far learning day by day

Teknicyde · Post by **Teknicyde** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:20 pm

swoggles wrote:im afraid i still get confused with how to do half that stuff,i need to learn more but youtube doesnt always help me, i tend to learn by being shown in front of me whilst i ask loads of annoying and stupid questions! i cant hav music loud though as my parents hate bass lol but same principle with good headphones wood work? and what does normalizing do and how do i do that exactly? is it a fx on the master thing in the mixer? sorry if these questions are stupid but have little understanding of music,getting there slowly though,my tracks have improved from picking bits up off of this forum
cheers so far learning day by day

normalize raises the highest peak in your mixdown to unity gain...

Same principal applies to whatever you listen on... Turn your speakers/headphones/whatever up, and turn the faders down... in the end, normalize the audio, and turn your speakers/headphones back down to where they normally would be...

Dont depend so much on youtube, try reading that moneyshot thread.

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:48 pm

ok i understand that,cheers,i have been trying but following all the technicals is slow atm,im picking it up better though

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 9:50 pm

'ere

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_o ... erminology

http://www.filmland.com/glossary/Dictionary.html

Both are quite nice to finding out what words mean in non-production English ahah!

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 12:06 am

thats brilliant,thanks dude, so im ready to do this normalizing in my track,how do i go about this in fl9??

nowaysj · Post by **nowaysj** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 2:53 am

I'd try to get your levels generally set, BEFORE you get to the mixer in FL, then use the channel faders for fine tuning. You can do that with the volume knob on the channel itself in the step sequencer, on the volume knob on the channel settings window, or with a fruity balance as your first fx in the mixer. You don't have to, but I'd suggest it.

I'd also get your kick hitting even lower, around -12db, and set levels according to that reference point. Just a little extra headroom to work with never hurt anybody, in fact, it has helped many people

In terms of normalization, just render out your track to a stereo wav, start a new project, load the wave, right click the waveform in the channel settings, right click edit, hit ctrl - N in Edison, and your waveform is now normalized.

ZimmermanStudios · Post by **ZimmermanStudios** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 3:27 am

I think it's important to note, especially with this kind of music: when you have multiple kick samples firing at once, TOGETHER they should peak around -12. The math to get there is complicated, but watch your meters and you'll get it easily. Same thing with snares, claps, etc.

Edit: I don't use FL, but I'm looking at the picture you posted. With all kicks playing you should peak around -12 on the stereo meter, the arrow on the right. Keep in mind that meters like this don't register peaks well, however. Question for the FL gurus, is there any kind of text readout for peak levels that could be used for what I'm talking about?

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 10:14 am

-12 eh,makes sense,started mastering a bit last night so turned volume rite up and channels down,seems to work,i did hav a sneak at normalizing but it literally didnt make a difference,think i did it wrong so back to fl for another few hours!! Zimmerman cood u try and explain the maths behind it?

ZimmermanStudios · Post by **ZimmermanStudios** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 5:53 pm

If you aren't proficient with logarithms and such, this will probably make no sense, but here is a fantastic academic link: http://hep.physics.indiana.edu/~rickv/M ... urces.html

If you have a semester to kill, this site is equivalent to the textbook for a course in acoustics I took, week by week.
http://hep.physics.indiana.edu/~rickv/P ... edule.html

Weeks 8-10 are of special relevance.

ChadDub · Post by **ChadDub** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 6:18 pm

What I've started doing was making sure all my songs peak at around -6 on the master, and I usually have my drums set around -12 or -13, and then go from there. I haven't tried the normalization part yet though, I'mma do it now.

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Fri Jul 08, 2011 7:01 pm

cheers i will read into them sometime

i normalized for the first time today,definately noticed the difference,looked at my old tracks and they were just loud instead of full sounding!! so this is my best attempt so far for mastering and the rest ( http://soundcloud.com/swoggles/spaced ) comments please? where can i improve? in all aspects not neccessarily just mastering
cheers

wormcode · Post by **wormcode** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 1:19 am

Also it's important to learn the difference between mixing and mastering. Not the same thing at all.

swoggles · Post by **swoggles** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:04 pm

oh rite,wood u elaborate please??

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