sub bass question

[SytrixDubstep]

i have never wobbled my sub bass to synch with my wobbles and i didn't even realize people did this until recently. i would just have a non moving sub bass under the synths. Boring. Anyway i've been trying to figure out how to wobble my sub bass in massive, but i just can't pinpoint how to do it, it seems weak when i try with a daft filter or other filters and it just doesn't work well AT ALL. if someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated about how to synch your sub bass wobbles with your synth wobbles. thank you.

[stinjee]

check out the bible mate,

[BaseBass]

Subbasses don't wobble mate. They are already at the lowest point in the frequency range. You can simulate a wobble by just LFO'ing on the volume of the sound. LFO'ing the main pitch also gives an interesting effect.

But yeah, look at the bible =P

[GhostMutt]

Pitch envelope

[Grimenoceros]

Exactly; LFO the volume, it will create the 'wobbling' sensation in the sub, kind of more just pulsing but LFO-ing nonetheless.

[JFK]

Stick the LFO on the amplitude mate, not the Filter cut off.

[grooki]

i have never wobbled my sub bass to synch with my wobbles and i didn't even realize people did this until recently. i would just have a non moving sub bass under the synths. Boring. Anyway i've been trying to figure out how to wobble my sub bass in massive, but i just can't pinpoint how to do it, it seems weak when i try with a daft filter or other filters and it just doesn't work well AT ALL. if someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated about how to synch your sub bass wobbles with your synth wobbles. thank you.

Well, I reckon if done well the none moving sub is fine. Check Tunnage, Armageddeon, I love those wobbles but the sub is just flat.
Listening to the track in your sig I think that sub sounds ok. I think that a lot of the time dynamic sounding sub in brostep comes from the sounds above - for instance I think the midrange sounds in your track sound a little bit flat for some reason. The sounds are nice but a bit flat, for lack of better word. I think this is what to focus on.

But if you really want to make the sub wobble, as people have said do it with pitch or (as I like to do) volume, but I usually do this without midrange on top. When I want nice unity between mid range sounds and sub sounds, I usually try and produce the sub and the mid range from the same sample or synth - which usually means frequency splitting (if you're not sure, bible!). What I do is have a mids and highs bus which I filter and muck about with, which is then combined with the sub bus later - this makes a nice juicy unified sound which sounds like it's all wobbling together, even though when you mute the mids and highs the sub is actually doing pretty simple stuff.

[Cubicle]

I don't know if it's something bad I'm doing but I have a 2xosc subbass.
I usually detune them -1 and 1 and I recently discovered if you detune them to -25 cent and 25cent you get a wobble-like effect.

It's hard to get it right but with some fiddling I created some subtle wobbling.

Now, am I doing something horribly wrong and should I just automate the volume or is my technique ok to do?

[JFK]

I don't know if it's something bad I'm doing but I have a 2xosc subbass.
I usually detune them -1 and 1 and I recently discovered if you detune them to -25 cent and 25cent you get a wobble-like effect.

It's hard to get it right but with some fiddling I created some subtle wobbling.

Now, am I doing something horribly wrong and should I just automate the volume or is my technique ok to do?

That sound is the sines phasing mate. It means your sub will lose some of its impact. I would stick to modulting the volume.

[Sparxy]

Assign the LFO to the volume of the oscillator instead. Easy!

[SytrixDubstep]

i have never wobbled my sub bass to synch with my wobbles and i didn't even realize people did this until recently. i would just have a non moving sub bass under the synths. Boring. Anyway i've been trying to figure out how to wobble my sub bass in massive, but i just can't pinpoint how to do it, it seems weak when i try with a daft filter or other filters and it just doesn't work well AT ALL. if someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated about how to synch your sub bass wobbles with your synth wobbles. thank you.

Well, I reckon if done well the none moving sub is fine. Check Tunnage, Armageddeon, I love those wobbles but the sub is just flat.
Listening to the track in your sig I think that sub sounds ok. I think that a lot of the time dynamic sounding sub in brostep comes from the sounds above - for instance I think the midrange sounds in your track sound a little bit flat for some reason. The sounds are nice but a bit flat, for lack of better word. I think this is what to focus on.

But if you really want to make the sub wobble, as people have said do it with pitch or (as I like to do) volume, but I usually do this without midrange on top. When I want nice unity between mid range sounds and sub sounds, I usually try and produce the sub and the mid range from the same sample or synth - which usually means frequency splitting (if you're not sure, bible!). What I do is have a mids and highs bus which I filter and muck about with, which is then combined with the sub bus later - this makes a nice juicy unified sound which sounds like it's all wobbling together, even though when you mute the mids and highs the sub is actually doing pretty simple stuff.

In alot of those sounds i run a doublenotch filter through either a daft filter and scream filter (eliminate wierd distorted noise and enchance the wobble cause with a doublnotch alone it isn't really a wobble and sounds messy.) How can i boost the mid range because i too noticed after it was posted to soundcloud and stuff that the levels were a little weak in a lot of those basses aka they just didn't seem really powerful, any tips?

[victor w]

Subbasses don't wobble mate. They are already at the lowest point in the frequency range. You can simulate a wobble by just LFO'ing on the volume of the sound. LFO'ing the main pitch also gives an interesting effect.

But yeah, look at the bible =P

They do wobble. not if you're cutting them off at 40 or something like that, but i cut mine at 90 and can get a really powerful wobble, and i usually keep the amount of lfo to filter down to 60% because it's so present. and op, if you're not cutting low enough it won't wobble as much. find that middle point

[ChadDub]

I really don't see how people can say "sub don't wobble". You obviously aren't very creative.

It's as easy as LFOing the volume.

[grooki]

i have never wobbled my sub bass to synch with my wobbles and i didn't even realize people did this until recently. i would just have a non moving sub bass under the synths. Boring. Anyway i've been trying to figure out how to wobble my sub bass in massive, but i just can't pinpoint how to do it, it seems weak when i try with a daft filter or other filters and it just doesn't work well AT ALL. if someone could help me out that would be greatly appreciated about how to synch your sub bass wobbles with your synth wobbles. thank you.

Well, I reckon if done well the none moving sub is fine. Check Tunnage, Armageddeon, I love those wobbles but the sub is just flat.
Listening to the track in your sig I think that sub sounds ok. I think that a lot of the time dynamic sounding sub in brostep comes from the sounds above - for instance I think the midrange sounds in your track sound a little bit flat for some reason. The sounds are nice but a bit flat, for lack of better word. I think this is what to focus on.

But if you really want to make the sub wobble, as people have said do it with pitch or (as I like to do) volume, but I usually do this without midrange on top. When I want nice unity between mid range sounds and sub sounds, I usually try and produce the sub and the mid range from the same sample or synth - which usually means frequency splitting (if you're not sure, bible!). What I do is have a mids and highs bus which I filter and muck about with, which is then combined with the sub bus later - this makes a nice juicy unified sound which sounds like it's all wobbling together, even though when you mute the mids and highs the sub is actually doing pretty simple stuff.

In alot of those sounds i run a doublenotch filter through either a daft filter and scream filter (eliminate wierd distorted noise and enchance the wobble cause with a doublnotch alone it isn't really a wobble and sounds messy.) How can i boost the mid range because i too noticed after it was posted to soundcloud and stuff that the levels were a little weak in a lot of those basses aka they just didn't seem really powerful, any tips?

One thing which helps bit is to continue to process the sound a bit after the filters have been applied, because the filter can leave it sounding a little bit flat. What I have been doing recently is to apply a little bit of distortion after the filters so that the sound is brightened up a little bit. When I say distortion I don't mean hard distortion, just something to fuzz the sound up slightly and give it back some zing which the filters might have taken away. A little bit of chorus can also work.