NU REGGAE

[Alistairr]

thoughts>..??? is this just another flimsy trend or is it something to stay, state ur opinion here....

here is an example....

Soundcloud

admittedly its my own creation but that is neither here nor there, there is a lot of the stuff floating round soundcloud these days and the question remains...

[Tragic_Gash]

nu reggae like nu-school breaks and nu metal? they were both memorable and innovative genres for sure..

[Alistairr]

sometimes electornic music looks to far forward though, and if it jsut took a lesson or two from the past, thats when something nu gets created...

too many people for example mix or produce dubstep for example and dont no who king tubby is or his history even though the two are "suppose" to be linked...

[Tragic_Gash]

ok lets make a deal. I won't be a douche bag if you call the music you wanna make something other than nu reggae. it's pretty unimaginative, and makes me think its gonna suck without even listening to it.

[south3rn]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

[Alistairr]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

i thought this was the dubstep forum, looks like to me its jsut as bad as the EAF hahaha, ill assume ur just being ignorant, rather then stupid...

[Alistairr]

ok lets make a deal. I won't be a douche bag if you call the music you wanna make something other than nu reggae. it's pretty unimaginative, and makes me think its gonna suck without even listening to it.

u shouldnt judge a book by its cover...any true music lover would know that...

[incnic]

dubstep ws born out of nuskool breaks and garage crossed with some dub afaik mate

[Molzie]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

i thought this was the dubstep forum, looks like to me its jsut as bad as the EAF hahaha, ill assume ur just being ignorant, rather then stupid...

[south3rn]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

i thought this was the dubstep forum, looks like to me its jsut as bad as the EAF hahaha, ill assume ur just being ignorant, rather then stupid...

i'm a HUGE king tubby fan, and a HUGE dubstep fan.

aside from the word "dub" i don't see a connection that goes deeper than verbage. i have no doubt dub music has inspired lots of people, myself included, but the connection isn't that tight

some house music samples reggae, but i wouldn't say king tubby directly influenced house music.

[Tragic_Gash]

explain how king tubby is related to dubstep please

it might surprise you to learn this, but the "dub" in "dubstep" is actually taken from the jamaican word "dub" which means a copy (or version) of a piece of music. The word dub later came to also refer to a style of music which was made by rearranging pre-existing reggae tracks into new pieces of music which were specifically designed to be played on large soundsystems in dancehalls in Jamaica. King Tubby owned what was probably the largest soundsystem on the island for a good period in the seventies and pioneered and popularised the genre of "dub" which focused on minimal but highly danceable drum patterns and really loud bass parts underneath swirling atmospherics made with various reverb and delay units. In the 1970's and 80's due to the continued migration of Jamaican people to the larger cities of UK, particularly London, Bristol and Birmingham, sound systems started cropping up within the country, and led to the development of the UKs own sound-system culture, which took many of its cues from the Jamaican blueprint, including the style of the music played, which focused on heavy basslines and rhythmic drum patterns, which produced various different genres of electronic music from the late eighties onwards (see Simon Reynolds articles on "the hardcore continuum") Dubstep arose from a continuation of this culture and was fully aware of the fact, hence it's name.

Anyway thats a load of shit and way oversimplfied and still tl:dr

basically without king tubby dubstep might not even exist

[Tragic_Gash]

ok lets make a deal. I won't be a douche bag if you call the music you wanna make something other than nu reggae. it's pretty unimaginative, and makes me think its gonna suck without even listening to it.

u shouldnt judge a book by its cover...any true music lover would know that...

just tryin to help mate, lots of judgmental assholes like me out there

[south3rn]

i believe dubstep directly morphed from house music and picked up bits and pieces along the way. house music was big before king tubby made much of a splash in north america.

at the end of the day it's all relative to how a person interprets dubstep, but i've been around enough and listened to enough to form my own opinion.

most of your derivative from dub/reggae to dubstep can be applied to any genre really.

[Tragic_Gash]

i believe dubstep directly morphed from house music and picked up bits and pieces along the way. house music was big before king tubby made much of a splash in north america.

at the end of the day it's all relative to how a person interprets dubstep, but i've been around enough and listened to enough to form my own opinion.

most of your derivative from dub/reggae to dubstep can be applied to any genre really.

woah ho ho ho ho ho are you saying that dubstep was originated in the states?

[guy unfolding deckchair picture]

edit: also i think you missed my point, probably cos i worded what i was saying a bit shit and missed stuff out, which was that dubstep, like a lot of other styles of music come from a cultural background of which the roots can be directly traced back to people like Kind Tubby and other early sound system operators...

[Alistairr]

house originated i thought from chicago producers making disco edits, correct me if im wrong...now disco did not come from dub/reggae

[south3rn]

woah ho ho ho ho ho are you saying that dubstep was originated in the states?

where did i say that?

[Tragic_Gash]

woah ho ho ho ho ho are you saying that dubstep was originated in the states?

where did i say that?

just clarifying

[Alistairr]

ok lets make a deal. I won't be a douche bag if you call the music you wanna make something other than nu reggae. it's pretty unimaginative, and makes me think its gonna suck without even listening to it.

u shouldnt judge a book by its cover...any true music lover would know that...

just tryin to help mate, lots of judgmental assholes like me out there

yes i understnad, but as a fan and producer of some dubstep, i dont want to associate myself with the tag of dubstep, so i have the choice of post dubstep, which is ok for my more ambienty productions and nu reggae, for my more modern take on an old sound....pretty straight forward really...

[south3rn]

edit: also i think you missed my point, probably cos i worded what i was saying a bit shit and missed stuff out, which was that dubstep, like a lot of other styles of music come from a cultural background of which the roots can be directly traced back to people like Kind Tubby and other early sound system operators...

sorry to quote your same post twice...lol

i think culture is the operative word. i think you have to be careful if you say dub music. but that soundsystem/soundclash/soundman culture was present in late 80s acid house, early 90s breakbeat hardcore, 94 jungle, post jungle dnb, dub techno...all way before dubstep. it's nothing new.

it's not weird to see ras trents at dubstep raves now...but when it first started, at least i can attest to the first few years of houston dubstep shows, there was never a hard push to relate dubstep to reggae. but in 05/06, i'd say the minority of songs went in that direction, sampling dub tunes, off-beat stabs, etc.

i'd love some veterans to chime in.

[Tragic_Gash]

edit: also i think you missed my point, probably cos i worded what i was saying a bit shit and missed stuff out, which was that dubstep, like a lot of other styles of music come from a cultural background of which the roots can be directly traced back to people like Kind Tubby and other early sound system operators...

sorry to quote your same post twice...lol

i think culture is the operative word. i think you have to be careful if you say dub music. but that soundsystem/soundclash/soundman culture was present in late 80s acid house, early 90s breakbeat hardcore, 94 jungle, post jungle dnb, dub techno...all way before dubstep. it's nothing new.

it's not weird to see ras trents at dubstep raves now...but when it first started, at least i can attest to the first few years of houston dubstep shows, there was never a hard push to relate dubstep to reggae. but in 05/06, i'd say the minority of songs went in that direction, sampling dub tunes, off-beat stabs, etc.

i'd love some veterans to chime in.

mmm i think we are talking about two seperate things, like your right that the direct influences to the music itself were wideranging and not every artist adopted a sound that could be easily related to dub reggae however, because you asked how king tubby relates to dubstep, i was talkin about the cultural circumstances that lead to its development, ur right it's nothing new, but it all comes from the same initial point in my view, which is the soundsystem culture of Jamaica. maybe it makes more sense to me because i'm used to the UK dance music scene but there you go.