Michael Moore's Sicko ---Mind officially BLOWN thread

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:09 pm

Fuck my country. Seriously. In the UK, if I go to the hospital, not only do I NOT have to pay for it... but you will fucking actually PAY ME for having gone to the hospital?

They'll validate my parking... and pay my train fare back to my flat?

Is this a joke... is this like... EVERYWHERE but in MY country?

Any Canadian, British, or any other male or female in a country with socialized medicine want to sponsor a sickly American born socialist? It seems like every time I open my eyes, I see my country fucking me over on a daily basis.

omfg.

GOGOGOGO and locate this movie in the standard "GETTING PLACE" that you get movies that aren't out yet. Time for a revolution in this country... VERY time.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:11 pm

in america we let the market decide if you're worth treating

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:20 pm

Parson wrote:in america we let the market decide if you're worth treating

I'm a double cancer survivor, currently in remission... I will be in debt for the rest of my life, and under new federal bankruptcy laws, eventually I will probably be thrown into a debtors prison, literally.

I have health, dental, vision insurance, and accident insurance.

Currently, I have garnered over 48,000 Dollars in medical bills--assuming that my insurance will cover ANY of my expenses--this year alone. 6 Months into the year... 6 months left, and guarenteed to spend at least another 50k on healthcare this year...

Don't ask me what I make at my job... I've already surpassed my yearly salary in medical bills. I work 6 days per week, don't smoke tobacco, work out every day, eat a mostly veggie diet, and drink maybe once every other week... but some 50+ year old man needs to pay women to FUCK HIM, and so I get denied?

Yea, Capitalism... gotta love it. I'm not worth saving. I have nothing to offer the world. I should give up all hope, because market forces don't dictate Cancer as being a medical necessity. As a matter of fact, it is a good reason for them to CANCEL my insurance.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:32 pm

i can't get regular insurance cuz i have an incurable and incredibly rare autoimmune disorder

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:32 pm

also i'm real poor

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:36 pm

Parson wrote:also i'm real poor

Personally, I recall "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" being something that God gave us... then again, these were dirty French philosophers that were spouting Communist rhetoric...

I think I may vomit up my freedom fries

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:37 pm

well actually liberty is not freedom. its usage implies restriction.

as for god, i don't believe he is the one who put us here.

xi · Post by xi » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:41 pm

Thats cold capitalism for ya. Everything has monetary value, even life.

This is what comes to mind every time an American calls me a communist.

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:41 pm

Parson wrote:well actually liberty is not freedom. its usage implies restriction.

as for god, i don't believe he is the one who put us here.

Well, let us not miss the point by getting too metaphysical... God has nothing to do with doing the right thing. Moral relativism is the downfall of society as a whole. People should be dying of old age, not shit that we could have prevented...

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:43 pm

XI wrote:Thats cold capitalism for ya. Everything has monetary value, even life.

This is what comes to mind every time an American calls me a communist.

The only reason that communism has never worked is because America has gone to war with every communist country and has funded a coup, or armed insurgents to take out those governments. Either way, I just spent several thousand dollars on drugs, and none of them got me high. Fucking tragic.

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:44 pm

even my liberal friends are talking about how they'd vote for ron paul

that is extremely frightening how that sneaky fuckin LIBERTARIAN can go on tv talking about how he doesn't care about war and doesn't care about marijuana laws and just wants a free market economy with government in place as a mere gesture (same as today, but more honest and simple). libertarians don't believe in anti-trust laws either.

they wanna privatize and DEREGULATE everything, and let monopolies decide what's moral

pk- · Post by **pk-** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:47 pm

so is there no free medical care in the US at all?

i mean...surely if you're completely fucked, they're not going to turn you away from a hospital because you're got no health insurance are they?

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:47 pm

he says down with NAFTA and WTO but only because of their ties to government, not that he sees any problem whatsoever with globalization

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:49 pm

ThoughtBombing wrote:
Parson wrote:well actually liberty is not freedom. its usage implies restriction.

as for god, i don't believe he is the one who put us here.
Well, let us not miss the point by getting too metaphysical... God has nothing to do with doing the right thing. Moral relativism is the downfall of society as a whole. People should be dying of old age, not shit that we could have prevented...

Thats really cool that your a double cancer suvivor, Thats great that you survived. A real testament to the human spirit and all that, so dont be offended when i point out to you that a long time ago people died of cancer.

They called it "old age".

parson · Post by **parson** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:52 pm

ThoughtBombing wrote:
Parson wrote:well actually liberty is not freedom. its usage implies restriction.

as for god, i don't believe he is the one who put us here.
Well, let us not miss the point by getting too metaphysical... God has nothing to do with doing the right thing. Moral relativism is the downfall of society as a whole. People should be dying of old age, not shit that we could have prevented...

i think its relevant. nothing about us fits into our environment. our sole purpose is to act as a virus on the planet. our only possibility of recovering balance is morality.

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:53 pm

pk- wrote:so is there no free medical care in the US at all?

i mean...surely if you're completely fucked, they're not going to turn you away from a hospital are they?

They have to save your life, but once you are "stable" they will kick you out of the front door of the hospital. In this movie, there is actually footage of elderly, indigent, mentally ill persons being let out of cabs and walking into the middle of the road... the HOSPITAL did this to them.

I was told that I could not have a round of chemo until I paid for it up front... I couldn't even go into debt to get the treatment. And when I cried like a little girl, the woman at the desk said "hey kid, we're going to have to ask you to leave..."

I was escorted out of the hospital by security. Armed guards...

Why have armed guards at the hospital? Because skinny ass guys like me, who were deathly ill are a threat.

And Parson, Ron Paul is fucking nuts... they are just impressed because he actually read the 9/11 Comission Report.

misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:55 pm

thats seriously wrong thoughtBombing. its situations like that that would make someone want to shoot up a hospital.

sizzla · Post by **sizzla** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:59 pm

i saw moore last night on letterman promoting his Sicko, he told a story of a woman who was denied care for her ill baby at the hospital because she was not insured and was told to go to the poor folks hospital across town, at which subsequently her baby became worst and died becuase of their gross and cold handling of people without the right insurance.

moore said the u.s. hospitals have been takenover by the insurance companies.

of course he explained how canada has a universal free health care system...

he also told of how in guantanamo bay in cuba where the u.s. has kept those afgani prisoners all this time, the detainess receive all the healthcare a rich man could afford, dental, phycological, physiological, the works and yet a group of undocumented workers who took part in the recovery effort at 911 ground zero, have been denied any treatments for their respiratory problems they developed because of their good will.

he decided to take some of these workers to the prison camp and requested the u.s. to provide the same help these detainees were receiving, at which point he was met with a stiff upper lip and turned away.

he took the sick people into cuba and found the help they needed right away as in cuba you'd find a doctor in almost every block. Cuba is a very poor country and so they don't fuck around with overcharging the people for healthcare.

and he asks, how is it that u.s. one of the richest countries has no universal healtcare system and poorer countries provide it as if it was second nature?

he is currently being investigated by the Bush administration for having shot some of the film in cuba where it is illegal to do trade as they (Cuba) are considered the 'enemy of the state'.

he said as of 911 he is sick and tired of being told who his "enemy" is.

product · Post by **product** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 4:59 pm

the health care industry may be fucked, but michael moore is an asshat

don't believe everything he tells you

thoughtbombing · Post by **thoughtbombing** » Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:00 pm

Parson wrote:i think its relevant. nothing about us fits into our environment. our sole purpose is to act as a virus on the planet. our only possibility of recovering balance is morality.

I'm a good person. My parents shouldn't have to bury their child because I couldn't afford to live. With the amount of money that we spent killing people today, we could have healed or prevented 75% of the ailments that we face in this country.

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