Is it selfish...

ruskie · Post by **ruskie** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:01 pm

...to not want a scene to grow?

More exposure does not always equals better music. I love the fact most people i speak to don't know bout dubstep and feels good tellin em about it.
Peoples feeling about it? Or am i thinking to negative. Can you get to a level where money does not taint the scene but still enables people to earn a living and put music above money?

tronman · Post by **tronman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:04 pm

2005 was the best year for everything so far..

2005 ruled. dubstep on a whole was soooo sick then, everything about it.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:14 pm

ahhhh. growing pains. gotta love em.

misk · Post by **misk** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:16 pm

I do feel that more and more tracks are suffering from overproduction these days. Keeping a tune simple, with only elements in the track that really belong is important.

I feel like the minimalism of early dubstep was a reaction the the overproduction of other genres (house, DnB, breaks etc...). whos gonna bring it back then?

DeepThought · Post by **DeepThought** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:28 pm

tronman wrote:2005 was the best year for everything so far..
2005 ruled. dubstep on a whole was soooo sick then, everything about it.

absolute badman year!

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:30 pm

everybody wants to keep it a certain way

music evolves as more people become involved. seeing as its an instrumental scene,played at clubs. its only inevitable, that it will be speeded up.

dashman · Post by **dashman** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:33 pm

i produce dubstep, i keep it very mimmamal, a lil intro stab/ big b-line and nice drum pattern, just like the jungle dayz, too much in a tune in a rave lose's the feeling on big sets, it ok for radio though, i think less is more.

feasible_weasel · Post by **feasible_weasel** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:33 pm

Misk wrote:I do feel that more and more tracks are suffering from overproduction these days. Keeping a tune simple, with only elements in the track that really belong is important.

I feel like the minimalism of early dubstep was a reaction the the overproduction of other genres (house, DnB, breaks etc...). whos gonna bring it back then?

reminds me of early grime... the synths and production was extremely basic, just a fast style 140 beat, with low frequency basses. and harsh synth noises.
as it goes along, the production gets better,and it ends up resembling other more tradional styles like dancehall and rap.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:35 pm

DeepThought wrote:
tronman wrote:2005 was the best year for everything so far..
2005 ruled. dubstep on a whole was soooo sick then, everything about it.
absolute badman year!

agreed.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:40 pm

Ruskie wrote:...to not want a scene to grow?

Yes

Ruskie wrote:More exposure does not always equals better music.

True, just means that it's got more exposure

Ruskie wrote:Peoples feeling about it? Or am i thinking to negative. Can you get to a level where money does not taint the scene but still enables people to earn a living and put music above money?

Wait for the Duran Duran-style coke habits to kick in. Then it will be proper shite

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:40 pm

I don't think it's about selfish or not selfish, it's about whether it's pointless or not. To me, wanting a scene not to grow and evolve is like wanting a river not to flow - if the music's good and the vibe's good, more people are going to want to come to the parties. Trying to stop the scene evolving is either going to be completely futile or end up with some sort of uber-purist dead end. Did someone say Jungle Committee?

I think the most anyone can do - and I guess I mostly mean DJs, promoters and producers here, people just chatting on forums can do even less - is try to stay focussed on what's good about the scene, so even if we end up with Skream and Loefah miming for the nine year olds and grannies on Top of the Pops there are still going to be clubs in dark rooms with a couple of hundred people going mental to great music.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:44 pm

Mr Hyde wrote:
showguns wrote:
DeepThought wrote:
tronman wrote:2005 was the best year for everything so far..
2005 ruled. dubstep on a whole was soooo sick then, everything about it.
absolute badman year!
agreed.
yeah gonna sound like a 'good ol' days rant but 2005 was really good for dubstep picking up

All about 2001 - eee, we never had it so good

I remember when dubstep was all fields

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:48 pm

I would like to see it grow, theres not enought tunes out for me. Not enough good tunes that is.

I couldnt do a set without re useing the same producer at least twice, which is a shame. I don't have to do that with any other genre i listen to regulary.

ruskie · Post by **ruskie** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:49 pm

Whta about that point of stauration? Not sayin it is at that or anywhere near it but think got to learn from UK garage where it peaked and fizzled out. Boom and Bust within 18months - 2 years.

showguns · Post by **showguns** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:49 pm

Thomas wrote:I couldnt do a set without re useing the same producer at least twice, which is a shame. I don't have to do that with any other genre i listen to regulary.

truth right there though. i cringe when i hear djs double and triple up with like 3 benga or mala tracks in a row. not that the songs aint good but the variety just aint in it.

ruskie · Post by **ruskie** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:52 pm

showguns wrote:
Thomas wrote:I couldnt do a set without re useing the same producer at least twice, which is a shame. I don't have to do that with any other genre i listen to regulary.

Yeah that is an excellent point to be fair. But surely that is out of choice rather than necessity? There is 5 years + of music to choose from.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:54 pm

Where can i ever even hear Dubstep from 2005, let alone buy it.

I don't think i could name any tracks from then really

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:57 pm

Ruskie wrote:Whta about that point of stauration? Not sayin it is at that or anywhere near it but think got to learn from UK garage where it peaked and fizzled out. Boom and Bust within 18months - 2 years.

Look, I don't want to sound argumentative here, but if we do figure out where garage went wrong, what would you actually propose to do about it? Impose some sort of schedule? "Sorry mate, you can't use female vocals until 2009. We don't want to go the way of garage, do we?"

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Tue Jun 19, 2007 4:57 pm

Ruskie wrote:Whta about that point of stauration? Not sayin it is at that or anywhere near it but think got to learn from UK garage where it peaked and fizzled out. Boom and Bust within 18months - 2 years.

It didn't end though, it just mutated. You wouldn't have grime or dubstep otherwise. And some of the ukg dj's still seem to play around the country - Scott Garcia was playing a garage night in Bognor of all places

There'll always be an underground side even if the commercial end gets a bit wrong

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