Sub On or Underneath Wobbles?

[Lemonlust]

What is the best, most efficient way to add sub with your wobbles? Have a sub sine wave in your wobbles oscilators and boosting the Sub EQ on your wobbles? Or Adding a sub underneath the wobbles? I've been experimenting different ways to add a cleane, more prominent sub in my wobbles and I'm not sure which way works. From my understanding if I make a whole new channel just for the subs I'll have to duplicate the LFO modulation from my wobbles to the sub and it's just a lot of work. I tried doing channel splitting such as route the wobble to 3 different mixer channels (Low, Mid, And High) and bypassing the frequencies. (Low channel, muting the mids and highs, mids, muting the lows and the highs, ect)

I've experimented with a plugin as well called mda subsynth which basically adds sub to your wobble but sometimes the sub gets muddy and distorted.

So what is the best way for you?

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

Making your sub in a separate instance of the same synth is usually the cleaner sound. you will also have more control over it. you can just create your midrange and duplicate the whole ting and change the wave forms to sines and assign the LFO to volume rather than frequency because sines dont really have much (or any) harmonic content. That's what i would do anyway.

[Lemonlust]

Creating new instances of my mid range bass is kinda a hassle. Because you can have so many different instances of the same bass

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

Thats just the way I do it. In the end who cares as long as it sounds good. eventually someone will say, "use your ears" and they will be correct.

[jrisreal]

normally I'd go with underneath. Its better mixing practice IMO

[S1NTH3TIC]

what I have been doing in Reaper is I set up reasynth with just a sine wave, then put a gate SC'd to my midranges so that whenever the mid range plays so does the sub. buss together with some comp for glue and it sounds pretty decent imo.

[Sonika]

I use the same method as Sinestepper.
For me, duplication is best

[Zkeeto]

I've experimented with this a lot and while putting a sub on your wobble works great I've found that just layering a separate sub underneath works a hell of a lot better(more control, sounds cleaner, and u don't get other interference from the other oscillators). Also in your songs u can just have the underlying sub playing without hvin to automate the sine oscillator just to have the sub plyin without the wobble. Make your wobble and hi pass it so there's no clashing with your separate sub.


You do whatever you like best but from experience and talking to a lot of other producers, its more proficient to use a seperate sub I think. I used to just layer my oscillators with a sine sub but switched and just started mking them seperate trcks and have always loved the results.

[EXP]

I also have a seperate subbass instrument, the midrange wobs habe a highpass at about 250 Hz and boost at 500 Hz, the sub gets a Lowpass at 100 Hz.
The reason why i do this: if you add effects to your wubs they will also affect the deep frequencies which leads to a muddy bass.
If you split midrange and sub, you can overdrive, delay and phase the shit out of your midwubs, but your sub stays nice and clean.

[blinx]

I usually have 4-5 instances of my midrange wobble at different lfo rates and slightly different effect chains. THen i copy the midi for the netire bassline and put that in a clean sine wave instance of massive. Turn sustain max attack up a little and release up a little. Mono voice with protamento/glide set to about 12 o clock. I hipass the midrange group a little over 100hz is with a soft curve. I low pass the sine wave sub bass at aroudn 100hz ish pretty soft.

Lately i have been expirementing with using two sine wave OSC in my subbass, one at the lower 20hz range octave (C0 i think) and the the other one at the C1 and octave higher. I read Phealah does something similar with his sub basses, but it seems to allow me to fill my sub bass out more. not sure if its how im going to always do it but its def. interesting to add that second sine wave in the mix. I also dont really LFO anything on my sub bass either, its pretyt much just there to push a bunch of are and shake peoples shakras around the dance floor.

[VirtualMark]

blinx - i've not heard of this before, using 2 subs. don't you think 20hz is a bit low? do you remember where you read this? i'd be interested to read it too.

i generally do what everyone else is saying - make a bassline then duplicate the entire track. take the osc's out on the synth and just have a sine, but usually a bit of something else in there too just to add a tiny bit of harmonics. this is just so that the sub can be heard on more systems. i also take all effects off on the synth and channel.

[stansharpe]

Believe me i am not great at production ; not by a long shot !!!! ive been trying for a while but 20hz is way to low. ive been a dj for a long time and know that you need punch (even in sub ) . in my opinion since ive been producing anything under 50 is just blowing air ,and the human ear wont even pick it up. stick to around 50hz imho for your sub. Processing of everything else as well as the sub is the key!!!!!! By the way just an opinion before i get blazed on the forum lol.

[VirtualMark]

stansharpe - human hearing is 20hz to 20khz. believe me, you can hear right down low, its just that most systems don't play that low. it takes a lot of power and air movement to reproduce bass, hench why subwoofers are large compared to tweeters. i've always liked to have subs in my car, and have played a few test tones when setting them up. and you can easily hear the bass at 30hz and lower.

[blinx]

everyone has an opinoin, but let me clarify my 20hz comment. I like and generally write tracks in keys of F and G so im not hammering 20hz notes its probalby more close to the 50hz+ range. I was simply just using C as reference to what octaves i am expirementing in.

Phealah mentions having to sub samples and octave apart in his Producer QnA here on DSF. Thats where i got the idea from... i tend to think the physics of having two subs makes sense..

[elyhess]

I generally make my "Wobble" or whatever the fuck you want to call it, then i add sub bass using FabFilter1 and use a triangle sine wave, gives a real nice sub bass