Getting Phasing with parallel compression

[Congojack]

Howaya's folks, been away for most of christmas havent done much posting.

Just got my new B8XA deluxes in and they are absoloutly amazing. But they have confirmed what i was fearing and that is that i am getting pretty bad phasing with parallel compression.

I'm a seasoned FL studio user, i know about plugin delay and phasing etc and i have tried EVERYTHING i have read, watched and researched but to no avail. I have say, a dry kick on mixer track 1 with a bitta EQ, dry snare on 2 with EQ, both routed to the master but also routed to track 3 which is the compression track which is also routed to the master. I've tried putting all the same plugins on the tracks, turned off on the dry tracks, to compensate for plugin delay to no avail. I've tried manually compensating by setting the delay compensation to 1.33ms but nothing. I'm at my wits end here with it at the moment as it's seriously putting a stint in what i can do.

Any help with this issue will be most appreciated, i believe it's a problem alot of producers come in contact with and there isn't any good information on it really. There is some i have taken but it hasn't worked unfortunately. I'm sure the collective brain trust at dubstepforum can help me give phasing a big phat fuck you!

Thanks in advance folks

[wub]

You fully up to date with your copy of FL?

They resolved the parallel compression issue in about version 9/10 I think?

[Congojack]

I wiped my laptop there recently Wub and reinstalled it but i didnt update it yet i dont think. You could be onto something let me check

[Congojack]

I was on 10.0.2 before i wiped it and i dont recall the problem then again i have pieces of my brain hanging out my head from the sheer volume of bits i've been in over december so the memory isnt serving me very well at the moment. I'll update to 10.0.2 from the fl site now my copy is currently 10.0.0 so i'll update you on that

[Congojack]

Aight updated to the latest version, it's a strange one my kicks arent phasing in the slightest, using wavecandy vectorscope on the master with only the 3 tracks going out. The kick is prefect not a bit of that nonsense. It;s the snare though it doesnt matter what sample i use or how many the snares are just phasing all the time with the p-comp.. It's not making much sense to me atm

[Congojack]

Update: Seems it was the fruity stock compressors causing the phasing, (Fruity compressor, limiter, maximus) all caused it. Downloaded a free compressor vst and it works fine. Wiped my cpu recently so all my free vsts were gone was prob why i didnt have that problem before cause i didnt use the stock ones, (apart from limiter for sidechaining but not parallel). Quite a strange one but that seemed to be the problem anyhow, ears and vector scope dont lie.

[Basic A]

This is caused by the fault of FL's plugin delay compensation system. Put a passthorugh copy of the same compressor on your dry track, like with the ratio at 0... itll stop... probably fix itsself once rendered too. Ive followed this issue very steadily, used FL since FL5, and its forever been my ONLY complaint with the DAW...

Bit of history worth knowing...

Versions 7 and earlier - phasing is permanent issue, this can be resolved by putting a copy of the compressor on the dry half of your parralel compression chain, and setting it up on passthrough settings (manual plugin delay compensation)

Versions 8 and 9 - you will hear the phasing during live monitoring but not after exporting with 'enable pdc' checked. You can also do as mentioned above, put a duplicate, passthrough plugin on the dry channel just to introduce the plugin delay manually during monitoring.

Version 10 and future - Plugin delay compensation should be fully fixed for both Compressor and Multibandband compressor, the softclipper, and blood overdrive, however, fruity limiter is still too complicated to not cause delay problems during monitoring. Fruity Limiter will work fine in parralel once exported with pdc enabled.

[Congojack]

This is caused by the fault of FL's plugin delay compensation system. Put a passthorugh copy of the same compressor on your dry track, like with the ratio at 0... itll stop... probably fix itsself once rendered too. Ive followed this issue very steadily, used FL since FL5, and its forever been my ONLY complaint with the DAW...

Bit of history worth knowing...

Versions 7 and earlier - phasing is permanent issue, this can be resolved by putting a copy of the compressor on the dry half of your parralel compression chain, and setting it up on passthrough settings (manual plugin delay compensation)

Versions 8 and 9 - you will hear the phasing during live monitoring but not after exporting with 'enable pdc' checked. You can also do as mentioned above, put a duplicate, passthrough plugin on the dry channel just to introduce the plugin delay manually during monitoring.

Version 10 and future - Plugin delay compensation should be fully fixed for both Compressor and Multibandband compressor, the softclipper, and blood overdrive, however, fruity limiter is still too complicated to not cause delay problems during monitoring. Fruity Limiter will work fine in parralel once exported with pdc enabled.

Legend. Thank you for your knowledge on the matter bud, it's confirmed the problem and the solution in both respects. Fruity limiter is my choice for side chaining instead of the peak controller/compressor link method (which seriously gimps the dynamic range) good for electro etc but out of the question for dubstep. I'm using my sonnox dynamics for parallel now

[Sharmaji]

some plugs also flip phase... why, we don't know, but i know at least a handful of mastering engineers who still work on Sonic Solutions (the pre-runner of ProTools) because none of the available plugs for that flip phase.

PITA.