Renoise

misk · Post by **misk** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 5:39 pm

I've been messing with the demo for a little bit now. I gotta say this is the most badass program i've ever messed with for music production. before i buy it, is there anything it cant do? also, is there a book i can buy for it, or like a manual i can print out, or is it only available in HTML?

i'd like to have something to actually hold and read when im away from the computer.

The workflow is amazingly fast, and i dont know 1/4 of the keyboard shortcuts yet! im really excited, but also want to make sure im not missing anything before i lay down the cash for this.

pushre · Post by **pushre** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:05 pm

Renoise is nice. I wrote up a little cheat sheet back when I was first learning it...I will see if I can find it to post. Have to say that while it is an amazing tool, it did not take the place of Live as a host...for me anyway.

little boh peep · Post by **little boh peep** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:15 pm

It can't do laundry, that's about all.

There's a help section on Renoise.com: http://www.renoise.com/help/

As well as forums: http://www.renoise.com/board

misk · Post by **misk** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:28 pm

Little Boh Peep wrote:It can't do laundry, that's about all.

DAMN it!

thats kinda what it seems. Im aware that my sequencer is only as good as i am, but the workflow within renoise seems so amazingly exqusite and simple, yet so powerful. not to mention the fact that it runs so efficiently on my powerbook G4. I also read somewhere that there is much less sonic aliasing on renoise than even logic and pro tools.. just messing with it, i can totally hear the difference.

I checked out the forums and such, their great, and the online tutorials are lovely too. Im just old fashioned when it comes to manuals... i like to read from paper pages. nothing i cant work around tho

unempty · Post by **unempty** » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:05 pm

Misk wrote:I've been messing with the demo for a little bit now. I gotta say this is the most badass program i've ever messed with for music production. before i buy it, is there anything it cant do?

Yeah, Renoise is awesome, is really good for sketching and just has that great inspirational feel to it. It must be the similarity to hardware sequencers that does it. That you can render each pattern and tracks to individual files makes it really sweet to use with another sequencer too. I use it as a sketch book all the time, and for random FX things.

Some things you can't do in Renoise:

Use Multi-output VSTis. This is annoying. A workaround is to use energyXT to "wrap" the VSTi and do mixing inside energyXT (or with automation bound to levels). Kinda works.
There's no latency compensation, so some VSTs will fsck you up.
Editing instruments / sample zones works, but is very awkward if you're used to samplers with faster workflow.
There's no intra-pattern "jump to position" FX command to (ASFAIK at least. I might be wrong, which would be cool). No biggie, but useful for making crazy.
Laundry. Not gonna happen.

Other than that, there's nothing really bothering me that i can think of.

also, is there a book i can buy for it, or like a manual i can print out, or is it only available in HTML?

The main documentation is on the Wiki, with lots of more particular tips and tricks on the forum. There's also a downloadable archive of the wiki in the top left corner of the wiki page (direct link).

Cheers,

misk · Post by **misk** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:05 am

i bought it!

i am so stoked on this! its seriously the best purchase i think i've made since turntables. dunno if i'll even be sticking with cubase, this program is the shit!

i have seen the light.

misk · Post by **misk** » Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:13 pm

i worked on it all night long. The learning curve is not near as steep as people say. It just makes sense. I even have most of the effects commands memorized. This little program has really revolutionized the way i look at music prduction. I can't recomend this enough

I spent like 5 hours last night on a tune, and i didnt even realize it...

Yeah i know im like the last to know, but at least now i know

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:21 am

yep,

renoise is the best software music creation tool available to date. For recording long sections of accoustic music, you will need to stick to your horizontal sequencers, but for programmed music (ie, all dance music) it is the only real choice.

Trackers are just so much more logical and direct than anything else out there. No point using anything else, imo.

The way that it works and looks means that music creation becomes something you do with your ears again, instead of arranging blocks with your eyes.

little boh peep · Post by **little boh peep** » Thu Jul 05, 2007 7:25 am

vadarfone wrote:The way that it works and looks means that music creation becomes something you do with your ears again, instead of arranging blocks with your eyes.

Well put.

And to address the learning curve, yes it is steep if you've never produced before, as it would be with learning any software I imagine.

lovejones · Post by **lovejones** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:09 pm

There's no intra-pattern "jump to position" FX command

Do you mean like 'jump to' line 7 etc? Yeah, I don't think you can do that, although the 09 command does a similar thing, its a fucking powerful tool for chopping up breakbeats and doing aphex twin style crazy beats.

The programme takes your sample and puts the time of it into hex. The 09 command is sample offset, so basically if you have a one bar loop in 4/4, you have 16 rows all playing the sample, but with a 09 offset going up like 0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,a,b,c etc, then it will play the loop normally.

When you change the order it obviously 'jumps' to different parts of the sample making it really very fast to create really crazy chopped up beats. You can severly fuck up the amen break in about 30 seconds.
This and i the retrig command are my favourites so far (only been learning renoise a week or so myself).

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misk · Post by **misk** » Sat Jul 14, 2007 10:15 pm

oh yeah, retrig is the best ever. the one thing that i havent quite figured out is delay. i know what it does.. and i suppose it could come in handy for strange timing... but maybe i just dont find it that interesting or something...

after producing a few tunes with it, my only real problem is that i find its easy to get lost in all the patterns in the pattern arranger view. I find that if i label the patterns according to the part of the track, and say how long they are in the label (i.e. 16 or 32 bars etc.) it helps a lot. I suppose that it just takes time to really get down. Alot of people are interested in a pattern arranger a la fruity loops or something. not for me, but there are times when its nice to have blocks that can easily be arranged... but now that i've used renoise for a while, i think that if i had blocks to arrange into patterns, my productions would suffer.

motormind · Post by **motormind** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 8:54 am

Misk wrote:oh yeah, retrig is the best ever. the one thing that i havent quite figured out is delay. i know what it does.. and i suppose it could come in handy for strange timing... but maybe i just dont find it that interesting or something...

after producing a few tunes with it, my only real problem is that i find its easy to get lost in all the patterns in the pattern arranger view. I find that if i label the patterns according to the part of the track, and say how long they are in the label (i.e. 16 or 32 bars etc.) it helps a lot. I suppose that it just takes time to really get down. Alot of people are interested in a pattern arranger a la fruity loops or something. not for me, but there are times when its nice to have blocks that can easily be arranged... but now that i've used renoise for a while, i think that if i had blocks to arrange into patterns, my productions would suffer.

The note delay function is nice to shuffle your beats ... especially handy for hihats and snares. It's hard to make a convincing 2-steppy beat without note delay, really.

I usually just make a lot of patterns in Renoise, render them to seperate tracks and then load those into Sonar and take it from there. I find it kinda hard to make complete tracks in Renoise.

misk · Post by **misk** » Sun Jul 15, 2007 2:25 pm

i hear ya, but i really enjoy the fact that theres less visual feedback in renoise. I think it forces me to make better music. also, i make decisions in renoise that seem to make more sense than the wacked out creative decisions i make in a horizontal sequencer.

thats why i've determined to learn, and know renoise so well.

chuckles · Post by **chuckles** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:32 pm

some of my vst windows flicker when i'm using it within renoise. does anyone else have this problem?

does anyone bounce out renoise tracks and perfect them in other sequencers like cubase?

motormind · Post by **motormind** » Mon Jul 16, 2007 9:18 pm

chuckles wrote:some of my vst windows flicker when i'm using it within renoise. does anyone else have this problem?

does anyone bounce out renoise tracks and perfect them in other sequencers like cubase?

I do, but I use Sonar. Works fine.

vadarfone · Post by **vadarfone** » Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:26 am

I used to bounce out and mix down in cubase, but ever since the mixer was implemented, I dont think there is any reason to do this... Also, the sound quality is brutal straight from Renoise.

Defo the best out there unless you want to be a nutcase and do it all in Buzz.

It sounds tight as hell too.

psi · Post by **psi** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:35 pm

i've also been using renoise for a while now. the only thing that annoys me is that youre unable to record samples, atleast i still haven't figured it out yet. and by record i mean eg. to record a guitarloop through the line-in.

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 3:45 pm

oh no, you can record straight to renoise! put the line-in meta device on an empty channel, arm it, go to the sample editor and hit record, play guitar, and press stop. viola! a new sample

crytek · Post by **crytek** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:09 pm

LEARN THE FX COMMANDS!!!

Sure this has been mentioned before, but it really helps. Also nearn some key commands and assign new key comands to frequently used features.

Renoise rocks!!

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu Jul 19, 2007 5:44 pm

crytek wrote:LEARN THE FX COMMANDS!!!

Sure this has been mentioned before, but it really helps. Also nearn some key commands and assign new key comands to frequently used features.

Renoise rocks!!

FX commands = teh dopeness!

i was just fucking around with a drumloop, and i was able to get some really cool "stop the record, hear it slow down, pause, rewind, play where you stopped the record" sounds.

really fun, and really fast

all about 0Bxx, 01xx, 02xx, 09xx, and 0Exx (the retrig command?)

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