. I'm looking for something as simple and as easy to use as massive, but with a different sounding bass. I've seen some videos on Razor and I love the sounds it creates, except it needs Reaktor to run and I just can't afford that. Any suggestions? This is my first post on this forum, btw. 
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I actually do not use youtube tutorials, because of that exact reason. But you are right, I might be giving up on it a little too soon. I should definitely experiment more. But I still wouldn't mind using something different.Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different
You can? What do you mean by "free version"? Do mean the demo version?Coolschmid wrote:You can run razor from the free version of reaktor.
I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different
please no ahah quit playing inside the box and wrap your head around resampling and automation.phaeleh wrote:Yeah I wanna hear it toobassbum wrote:The pheleleh tune I have never heard before and I did like it but its very simple and I could quickly recreate it.
You learn the same way people had to learn when youtube wasn't around. Understand the basics of synthesis, what an envelope is, what certain filters do to a sound, what modulating wavetables/volumes/filters does to a sound etc and you apply what you know to different sounds to get your desired effects.sn0wday wrote:I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different
I'm not copying them, i'm using them as tools to learn what does what, however poorly. It's better than as you suggested, turn off my internet and stare at massive, and just make something, which IMO I'd more likely end up needing to replace my smashed keyboard and monitor than finding a unique sound.
It's not just new producers being lazy, I see people on these forums say it all the time, that massive has a distinct sound, then someone refutes it, etc. so who knows if it's true. Then I try it out and even I notice how similar everything sounds in the realm of basses, and makes me nervous about sinking hundreds of dollars and hours into something that'll end up sounding shit and generic.
I don't doubt massive is powerful, but what else , even if it only serves as placebo, is as/almost as powerful as massive and will be well worth my time. I'm more than willing to put in time and work hard as long as there is at least a hazy goal in sight and i don't have this nagging feeling I'm going to end up in the same boat as all these other shit producers.
Huts wrote:You learn the same way people had to learn when youtube wasn't around. Understand the basics of synthesis, what an envelope is, what certain filters do to a sound, what modulating wavetables/volumes/filters does to a sound etc and you apply what you know to different sounds to get your desired effects.sn0wday wrote:I want to LEARN. Trust me, I realize how idiotic the hundreds of "make skrillex growl BEST ON YOUTUBE" are, but how else should I learn?Huts wrote:The reason everything you're making in massive sounds the same I'd guess is because you're following the same tutorials that all make the same shit sounds while falling into a comfort zone of which wavetables/settings you're using. There are a lot of producers who use massive that sound nothing alike. Buying a new synths isn't going to change how you sound if you head straight to youtube to copy the same tutorials 10,000 other people are watching and slapping into their tunes. You've got 2 amazing synths on your hands, turn off your internet, forget what the tutorials 'taught' you, and just experiment with the 90 different waveforms your given and make something different
I'm not copying them, i'm using them as tools to learn what does what, however poorly. It's better than as you suggested, turn off my internet and stare at massive, and just make something, which IMO I'd more likely end up needing to replace my smashed keyboard and monitor than finding a unique sound.
It's not just new producers being lazy, I see people on these forums say it all the time, that massive has a distinct sound, then someone refutes it, etc. so who knows if it's true. Then I try it out and even I notice how similar everything sounds in the realm of basses, and makes me nervous about sinking hundreds of dollars and hours into something that'll end up sounding shit and generic.
I don't doubt massive is powerful, but what else , even if it only serves as placebo, is as/almost as powerful as massive and will be well worth my time. I'm more than willing to put in time and work hard as long as there is at least a hazy goal in sight and i don't have this nagging feeling I'm going to end up in the same boat as all these other shit producers.
Using these youtube tutorials as tools to help you make sounds, and reverse engineering them yada yada I used to think the same thing. All it made me do was open massive, load the same 2-3 waveforms, apply the same effects in the same manner, and hope something different came out as a result.. It's not going to happen. Turning off the tutorials on 'how to make x sound' learning the basics and experimenting is the only way you're going to get anything other than whats on youtube. Half of the 'massive has a generic sound' comments are bollocks. If you're using Scrap Yard with an LFO on WT-Position for the 300th time then ya it's going to sound generic, but theres 85 other waves an endless amount of filtering/envelope options, Macro controls, Modulation, Noise, effects etc to transform your sounds.
It seems like you don't even know massive (or synthesis) enough to know WHY massive doesn't meet your needs, learn this first then look for a new synth.
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