why did distance stop plying vinyl ?

[ni_en_bhed]

why did distance stop playing vinyl ? I see all those old pictures where distance is playing vinyl ,but I've hardly seen any newer footage where he does. only those CDJ's now. why ? (I dont want to offend noone, there's nothing wrong about CDJ's , I'm just wonderin !)

or maybe he does and I just missed those videos, then I apologize . .

[Sexual_Chocolate]

id assume its because he gets & plays so much new music, much easier to just burn a cd then go and press a shitload of plates every other day.

[Figment]

truthfully, i think it's purely the same reason as most 'DJs' who have made the transition.

it's not so much a lack of passion for using records or turntables, it's just more where the world is at these days, clubs lack of ability to look after, maintain a turntable setup, which other DJ's using the turntable plates as drink holders etc.

it may be due too the idea of touring around the world having too lug 12"s everywhere being a pain, but i think it's more just CDJ's are just the club standard these days..

i honestly don't think anyone who DJ'd on turntables went on too CDJ's to make their mixes standout more (3-4-5 deck mixes) would be cool though!

this topic has been covered briefly over the past week or so, with coki, also the search function could help!

but yeah, dubplate culture seems too be a lot less present in the scene than in the earlier days.

[Terpit]

Turntables are pretty impractical unless you just mix at home imo.. nowadays anyway

[wormcode]

Turntables are pretty impractical unless you just mix at home imo.. nowadays anyway

Well I don't think it's impractical for a club that hires and relies on DJs to bring people in to have a couple of decks on the table for them, or ask in advance what they use to mix. Pretty much every city with clubs has places that rent out that equipment too. It's partly clubs not willing to do that though, and partly what Nevalo said too... but vinyl is also heavy as shit, and expensive if lost (irreplaceable even). Remember when Mala lost his record bag of rare gems... he's still on vinyl and dubs every time I've seen him since though. Airport security is also just getting to be more of a hassle!

OP, discussion here: http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=250040

[Terpit]

Yeah i saw that topic aswell, there is something authentic about vinyl but i cant see it lasting for much longer.

[wormcode]

Yeah i saw that topic aswell, there is something authentic about vinyl but i cant see it lasting for much longer.

I remember people saying that 15 years ago.
I get your point though, it has become impractical... but not because of the medium itself, because of other factors like baggage limits and having to pay extra for weight etc.

Anyway topic should probably be merged or just locked, it's pretty much the same discussion.

[Soiree]

It's not the size of the johnson, it's the size of your frequency range.
vinyl is the shit, but this video is depressing...


makes you wonder though,
I think Serato+Vinyl together is the best sound I've come across.
I really enjoy crossing digital and analog together.

[Terpit]

Anyway topic should probably be merged or just locked, it's pretty much the same discussion.

trua dat

[Be-1ne]

truthfully, i think it's purely the same reason as most 'DJs' who have made the transition.

it's not so much a lack of passion for using records or turntables, it's just more where the world is at these days, PROMOTERS lack of ability to look after, maintain a turntable setup, which other DJ's using the turntable plates as drink holders etc.

but yeah, dubplate culture seems too be a lot less present in the scene than in the earlier days.

I would say it's prevalence is due to people who were here from the start moving into others scenes and playing different music not really associated with dubplate culture, per say.

There are a lot of people who play and cut dubplates, it's just that people only really seem to latch on to, and talk about a couple of people. I know Compa is very vocal in his use and love of dubplates, and everyone seems to love that and have latched onto it. I have only ever played dubplates and vinyl (i did 1 cd set once) and no one talks about me. I'm not writing that as a cry baby, just highlighting that people only tend to focus on a small percentage of what is actually going on.

Joe nice has played dubplates from day, but that is not seen as such a big thing these days in terms of discussion. Vivek moving from CD's to dubplate is not discussed much or that pinch still plays dubs. All im saying is there are many DJ's still cutting and playing who you either don't know about or for what ever reason don't talk about.

You could argue that the scene going stale is in part due to this, not use of dubplates. but rather a lack of investment by DJ's / producer's? All the labels that started and kept it real, Chestplate, DMZ etc were started by 1 or two people who had a belief in what they were doing. This has now been passed over to digital because its easier and doesnt need much investment and leads to over saturation.

how many new vinyl labels have we had in the past 2 years in comparison to the previous 5, but how many people now produce dubstep? if the influx of people and also invested in this way you could argue the scene would be much more healthy, vibrant and experimental still.


or not LOL

[Figment]

truthfully, i think it's purely the same reason as most 'DJs' who have made the transition.

it's not so much a lack of passion for using records or turntables, it's just more where the world is at these days, PROMOTERS lack of ability to look after, maintain a turntable setup, which other DJ's using the turntable plates as drink holders etc.

but yeah, dubplate culture seems too be a lot less present in the scene than in the earlier days.

I would say it's prevalence is due to people who were here from the start moving into others scenes and playing different music not really associated with dubplate culture, per say.

There are a lot of people who play and cut dubplates, it's just that people only really seem to latch on to, and talk about a couple of people. I know Compa is very vocal in his use and love of dubplates, and everyone seems to love that and have latched onto it. I have only ever played dubplates and vinyl (i did 1 cd set once) and no one talks about me. I'm not writing that as a cry baby, just highlighting that people only tend to focus on a small percentage of what is actually going on.

Joe nice has played dubplates from day, but that is not seen as such a big thing these days in terms of discussion. Vivek moving from CD's to dubplate is not discussed much or that pinch still plays dubs. All im saying is there are many DJ's still cutting and playing who you either don't know about or for what ever reason don't talk about.

You could argue that the scene going stale is in part due to this, not use of dubplates. but rather a lack of investment by DJ's / producer's? All the labels that started and kept it real, Chestplate, DMZ etc were started by 1 or two people who had a belief in what they were doing. This has now been passed over to digital because its easier and doesnt need much investment and leads to over saturation.

how many new vinyl labels have we had in the past 2 years in comparison to the previous 5, but how many people now produce dubstep? if the influx of people and also invested in this way you could argue the scene would be much more healthy, vibrant and experimental still.


or not LOL

i fucking hate when i write a decent length reply and then the forum tells me i am not logged in.

i can only share my view on how i see it from where i am, and being from australia only really gives me knowledge of this through digital media/internet.
so my views and opinions are going too be only so accurate.


Everyone knows Compa plays wax because he's really proud of it, some people criticise him for it because he is so proud of it, always speaking of it, if the man is proud, bless him, got a ton of respect for Will's sound, and a lot of respect for his ability to DJ, he has seriously honed his craft.


i doubt this is anything serious on how the scene has changed, but you've got a lot of people calling Unreleased dubs burnt too CD a Dubplate.. which sure, it's a dub, but a dubplate is not that.


my original response was more on topic, but yeah, i hear what you are saying mate.

Big up.

[Snaps]

truthfully, i think it's purely the same reason as most 'DJs' who have made the transition.

it's not so much a lack of passion for using records or turntables, it's just more where the world is at these days, PROMOTERS lack of ability to look after, maintain a turntable setup, which other DJ's using the turntable plates as drink holders etc.

but yeah, dubplate culture seems too be a lot less present in the scene than in the earlier days.

I would say it's prevalence is due to people who were here from the start moving into others scenes and playing different music not really associated with dubplate culture, per say.

There are a lot of people who play and cut dubplates, it's just that people only really seem to latch on to, and talk about a couple of people. I know Compa is very vocal in his use and love of dubplates, and everyone seems to love that and have latched onto it. I have only ever played dubplates and vinyl (i did 1 cd set once) and no one talks about me. I'm not writing that as a cry baby, just highlighting that people only tend to focus on a small percentage of what is actually going on.

Joe nice has played dubplates from day, but that is not seen as such a big thing these days in terms of discussion. Vivek moving from CD's to dubplate is not discussed much or that pinch still plays dubs. All im saying is there are many DJ's still cutting and playing who you either don't know about or for what ever reason don't talk about.

You could argue that the scene going stale is in part due to this, not use of dubplates. but rather a lack of investment by DJ's / producer's? All the labels that started and kept it real, Chestplate, DMZ etc were started by 1 or two people who had a belief in what they were doing. This has now been passed over to digital because its easier and doesnt need much investment and leads to over saturation.

how many new vinyl labels have we had in the past 2 years in comparison to the previous 5, but how many people now produce dubstep? if the influx of people and also invested in this way you could argue the scene would be much more healthy, vibrant and experimental still.


or not LOL

This.


The whole cdj/controller thing has ruined the scene in my opinion. There's no quality control left, everyone and their gran's a dj or 'releasing' music. There's no respect attached to being a dj anymore, you used to have to spend hundreds/thousands of pounds on wax & equipment and spend hours & hours perfecting your craft. Now you just need a laptop and a sync button. It's a joke nowadays

And the more people that start switching to cdjs (i.e. Coki etc) the less club owners/promoters are gona service/maintain them

[compa]

Lack of investment by (Newer) DJ's / Producer's. All the labels that started and kept it real, Chestplate, DMZ etc. Were started by one or two people who had a belief in what they were doing. This has now been passed over to digital because its easier and doesnt need much investment and leads to over saturation

How many new vinyl labels have we had in the past 2 years in comparison to the previous 5 years. If the influx of people also invested in this way, You could argue the scene would be much more healthy, vibrant and experimental still.

There's no quality control left, everyone and their gran's a DJ or 'Releasing' music.

There's no respect attached to being a DJ anymore, you used to have to spend hundreds/thousands of pounds on wax & equipment and spend hours & hours perfecting your craft. Now you just need a laptop and a sync button. It's a joke nowadays

Word.

[dubfordessert]

i don't think having to spend a shit load of cash on something is inherently respectable. it's about the time you put into it, yes it's easier and quicker now, going and cutting dubplates etc etc takes time and effort, but there's no reason respectable time and effort can't be put into finding the best digital music, putting thought into your mixes, and generally giving a shit. you don't need to drop dollar to prove you give a shit, and tbh, i'd rather things worked in such a way that you didn't have to.

[incnic]

what is the difference beweeen digital and vinyl? does vinyl sound warmer and less harsh

[garethom]

The whole cdj/controller thing has ruined the scene in my opinion. There's no quality control left, everyone and their gran's a dj or 'releasing' music.

It's up to promoters to stop this then. There is always going to be chancers, but if promoters keep booking these people based on name and reputation alone, it's not gonna change.

what is the difference beweeen digital and vinyl? does vinyl sound warmer and less harsh

As far as I'm aware, vinyl is 320 but digital is only 192 max. You would have to cut a acetate "dubplate" to test the weight on a system.

[garethom]

i don't think having to spend a shit load of cash on something is inherently respectable. it's about the time you put into it, yes it's easier and quicker now, going and cutting dubplates etc etc takes time and effort, but there's no reason respectable time and effort can't be put into finding the best digital music, putting thought into your mixes, and generally giving a shit. you don't need to drop dollar to prove you give a shit, and tbh, i'd rather things worked in such a way that you didn't have to.

Also, this.

When I play out, I play vinyl (it's the only thing I've ever used, don't know how to use anything else), but when I'm doing mixes for radio or whatever, I've spent an absolute tonne of time sourcing tunes, exclusives or otherwise. To say no time or effort is put in isn't always true.

[Beger]

The whole cdj/controller thing has ruined the scene in my opinion. There's no quality control left, everyone and their gran's a dj or 'releasing' music.

It's up to promoters to stop this then. There is always going to be chancers, but if promoters keep booking these people based on name and reputation alone, it's not gonna change.

what is the difference beweeen digital and vinyl? does vinyl sound warmer and less harsh

As far as I'm aware, vinyl is 320 but digital is only 192 max. You would have to cut a acetate "dubplate" to test the weight on a system.

Vinyl is lossless - meaning there is no lost sound quality.
A 320 mp3 only contains I think 20+/-% of the information of the tune.

[rorz9992]

The whole cdj/controller thing has ruined the scene in my opinion. There's no quality control left, everyone and their gran's a dj or 'releasing' music.

It's up to promoters to stop this then. There is always going to be chancers, but if promoters keep booking these people based on name and reputation alone, it's not gonna change.

what is the difference beweeen digital and vinyl? does vinyl sound warmer and less harsh

As far as I'm aware, vinyl is 320 but digital is only 192 max. You would have to cut a acetate "dubplate" to test the weight on a system.

Vinyl is lossless - meaning there is no lost sound quality.
A 320 mp3 only contains I think 20+/-% of the information of the tune.

This.
Tunes that get pressed to vinyl almost always start life as WAV or Flac files... you'd have to be a pretty wack label to use mp3s as your source files for your vinyl releases.
As for digital being 192 max... you're kidding right? No-one of any credibility would use anything less than 320s

[garethom]

WAV doesn't exist imo. Has anyone ever seen one? Doubt it.

Digital is only 192 because it doesn't have the warmth which is the extra 128kbps which makes vinyl 320.

Even the guy from Funktion 1 said.