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Question on Trap tracks
Hey guys I did a quick DSF search on my thread idea and couldn't find exactly what I was looking for so:
I've been doing 1 week challenges, this week and last week was a bit hard with Thanksgiving and black friday and me being a retail employee. Regardless, for my 1 week challenge this week I figure to push my self as an sound engineer and an artist I'd do a trap or "trap" like song.
Here's my problem - I DLed a 808 sample pack. The pack was sampled from a real Roland 808 at a hundo bpm and the root is an A. I started with the kick on C but found that because of the sub-bass freq of the kick drum it would what i could only describe as grossly oscillate when I add a sub bass to it. I tried moving the sub to the root of C and nothing it gives me that same back and forth out of rhythm osc between the kick and the bass. I found that I could put a mid range bass on top of the sub bass line and the "osc" wasn't heard but couldn't check as I couldn't turn my monitors up to a good level at 1:30 in the morning when I come home from work. So I bumped the kick down to the root it was sampled at A, I believe A3 and dropped the sub bass also to the root of A. This way I got a good thick boom but the tail of the kick wasn't too noticeable but i could still hear a slight oscillation between the kick and sub bass. Again when I threw a mid-range bass on it you would just get the big boom of the kick and I'm assuming since it's a low note for the kick it tapers off quicker so you can't really notice the osc of the two unless you really listen.
As I listen to more "trap" like music to hear it and be inspired by it the more I don't seem to hear a sub bass just that 808 kicks or a real deep bass-y kick. Trap drops seem very thin with what to me at least, sounds like that 808 kicks just lengthy to give that sub bass feel then a real sharp "gangsta synth" is layered on top. Maybe a vocal shot or two.
Long story short, does trap music not have a sub bass for it favors the 808 sub kick drum instead and uses that as a kick and as a bass. Or is there something I'm missing with trying the layer sub bass on top of it?
P.s. Usually for my songs. If I'm using Massive, I'll throw a sub bass right into the patch I'm making if I feel it needs it, other wise I just right a pure mid-range and use a simple 3xosc for the sub bass. I'll throw the pure mid-range bass on top of the sub bass to give it that thick deep sound. I'm afraid if I change up the patch for this trap song to include a sub bass freq that I'm gunna have the same problem as I do with the kick and 3xosc but instead with the Massive bass patch and the kick thus mucking up the entire synth.
any helps? tips? hints? would be great. I saw a thread http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=261234 where is is a video basics on trap/juke/electro swing/break core. Which I'm gunna check out now but I don't think it's gunna answer my question, still be interesting to watch through.
I've been doing 1 week challenges, this week and last week was a bit hard with Thanksgiving and black friday and me being a retail employee. Regardless, for my 1 week challenge this week I figure to push my self as an sound engineer and an artist I'd do a trap or "trap" like song.
Here's my problem - I DLed a 808 sample pack. The pack was sampled from a real Roland 808 at a hundo bpm and the root is an A. I started with the kick on C but found that because of the sub-bass freq of the kick drum it would what i could only describe as grossly oscillate when I add a sub bass to it. I tried moving the sub to the root of C and nothing it gives me that same back and forth out of rhythm osc between the kick and the bass. I found that I could put a mid range bass on top of the sub bass line and the "osc" wasn't heard but couldn't check as I couldn't turn my monitors up to a good level at 1:30 in the morning when I come home from work. So I bumped the kick down to the root it was sampled at A, I believe A3 and dropped the sub bass also to the root of A. This way I got a good thick boom but the tail of the kick wasn't too noticeable but i could still hear a slight oscillation between the kick and sub bass. Again when I threw a mid-range bass on it you would just get the big boom of the kick and I'm assuming since it's a low note for the kick it tapers off quicker so you can't really notice the osc of the two unless you really listen.
As I listen to more "trap" like music to hear it and be inspired by it the more I don't seem to hear a sub bass just that 808 kicks or a real deep bass-y kick. Trap drops seem very thin with what to me at least, sounds like that 808 kicks just lengthy to give that sub bass feel then a real sharp "gangsta synth" is layered on top. Maybe a vocal shot or two.
Long story short, does trap music not have a sub bass for it favors the 808 sub kick drum instead and uses that as a kick and as a bass. Or is there something I'm missing with trying the layer sub bass on top of it?
P.s. Usually for my songs. If I'm using Massive, I'll throw a sub bass right into the patch I'm making if I feel it needs it, other wise I just right a pure mid-range and use a simple 3xosc for the sub bass. I'll throw the pure mid-range bass on top of the sub bass to give it that thick deep sound. I'm afraid if I change up the patch for this trap song to include a sub bass freq that I'm gunna have the same problem as I do with the kick and 3xosc but instead with the Massive bass patch and the kick thus mucking up the entire synth.
any helps? tips? hints? would be great. I saw a thread http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=261234 where is is a video basics on trap/juke/electro swing/break core. Which I'm gunna check out now but I don't think it's gunna answer my question, still be interesting to watch through.
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The 808 kick is the sub in trap songs, I usually make some 808 like stuff in massive, so I have more control over the decay and stuff of the amplitude.
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blinkesko wrote:The 808 kick is the sub in trap songs, I usually make some 808 like stuff in massive, so I have more control over the decay and stuff of the amplitude.
thats what I kind of figured, thanks man. I attempted to make an 808 kick in massive once It worked but I might give that a go again. Thanks for chiming in man
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you want to push yourself as a sound engineer and artist
so you wanna make trap
i dont even
so you wanna make trap
i dont even
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yeah only the times ive heard that there is a separate sub in trap is at times where they'll layer a high passed kick over it. so that when the kick decays the sub is still going for a bit.
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an 808 kick is like pretty much a pure sine wave, so is a sub
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+1hasezwei wrote:you want to push yourself as a sound engineer and artist
so you wanna make trap
i dont even
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LOL subbass and a long tailed 808 is definitely overkill. you will eat up all of your headroom with that combination and it won't sound good. here's a secret though... short tailed 808s and side chained bass sounds pretty dope
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Is making trap music even a challenge?
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Bass is sort of wonky in the since it perfers to be a lone mono source.
Having multiple deep basses causes it to phase.
You could sidechain your subbass to duck whenever your 808 hits.
You can also tune and play your 808 like a sub in a sampler.
Having multiple deep basses causes it to phase.
You could sidechain your subbass to duck whenever your 808 hits.
You can also tune and play your 808 like a sub in a sampler.
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this onemtl6 wrote:LOL subbass and a long tailed 808 is definitely overkill. you will eat up all of your headroom with that combination and it won't sound good. here's a secret though... short tailed 808s and side chained bass sounds pretty dope
People should take note from this guy, it is definitely challenging to try and create a specific genre each week and most certainly helps your skills and understanding different techniques..
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are u kidding me, I had a listen to your tracks and don't even go there... hating trap is cool these days or something?Swelly wrote:Is making trap music even a challenge?
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no, complaining about haters is.SKIN E wrote:are u kidding me, I had a listen to your tracks and don't even go there... hating trap is cool these days or something?Swelly wrote:Is making trap music even a challenge?
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I mean, you can push yourself regardless of genre. Maybe he'll take it and do something new.hasezwei wrote:you want to push yourself as a sound engineer and artist
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The fuck is trap? How did it become known as trap? What kinda lame name for some shit is trap? At what point did it engulf footwerk, bmore house, and jersey club?
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it's been called trap for a lllllonnnnggggg time, just recently caught on in the EDM world though. it's just southern rap.Basic A wrote:The fuck is trap? How did it become known as trap? What kinda lame name for some shit is trap? At what point did it engulf footwerk, bmore house, and jersey club?
All questions that have cropped up in my head over the last week.
150 bpm, heavy 808 subs following the kick and melody, lots of hard-style sounds - horns, heavy glide leads, super-saws riffs. minimal drops.
it's actually pretty bad ass, i hated on it too until i danced to it a few times and tried making it.
long time no speak though basic, you should try writing 150. it's bad ass because at half time it's basically dubstep, but go amen break and it sounds like dnb all the sudden. good middle ground tempo... and very little restriction in the genre.
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bassinine wrote:it's been called trap for a lllllonnnnggggg time, just recently caught on in the EDM world though. it's just southern rap.Basic A wrote:The fuck is trap? How did it become known as trap? What kinda lame name for some shit is trap? At what point did it engulf footwerk, bmore house, and jersey club?
All questions that have cropped up in my head over the last week.
150 bpm, heavy 808 subs following the kick and melody, lots of hard-style sounds - horns, heavy glide leads, super-saws riffs. minimal drops.
it's actually pretty bad ass, i hated on it too until i danced to it a few times and tried making it.
long time no speak though basic, you should try writing 150. it's bad ass because at half time it's basically dubstep, but go amen break and it sounds like dnb all the sudden. good middle ground tempo... and very little restriction in the genre.
Trap isn't easy, although what trap is in the EDM scene is not necessarily what it is in the Southern Rap scene.
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for such a snide comment, i'll shall reply to you. I normal don't do trap music. So to push myself as an artist and sound engineer I am trying a genre I don't normal do, hence forth pushing me to create and make something I don't normally make. Thus widening my abilities, it's rather simple logic when you actually think.hasezwei wrote:you want to push yourself as a sound engineer and artist
so you wanna make trap
i dont even
I don't even...
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it's good to see so many other open minded people out there willing to try things they don't normal do thus improving themselves as artists. Music is music.Artie Fufkin wrote:+1hasezwei wrote:you want to push yourself as a sound engineer and artist
so you wanna make trap
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it was just a curious question. I understand head room and understand that sub bass and 808 are both sine waves thus making them conflict it was a simple question.mtl6 wrote:LOL subbass and a long tailed 808 is definitely overkill. you will eat up all of your headroom with that combination and it won't sound good. here's a secret though... short tailed 808s and side chained bass sounds pretty dope
however I appreciate your reply and you advice of a short tailed 808 that I decided to use and if i don't go with a long tailed 808 then I will side chain the bass
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