Gain control over the adsr of an 808 in redrum????

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:34 pm

Ok so I have a problem my 808's are not staying the same as far as levels go, I have no volume automation. I use reason. Now I believe that if I could control the ADSR I can possibly also help out this volume problem that I'm having. I know the volume changes because once I bounce out the midi into wavform not only can I hear but I can see it also. I already googled this problem and found something on this forum

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 3&start=20

but these steps only help me halfway I want to maintain the volume after every hit the same but I want to learn how to control it

I'm doing it the same exact way as in the post above.

efence · Post by **efence** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:17 pm

I figured out work aroundd on this topic before but they are all complicated except for 1, which is use the nn-xt for at least the 808

neonmansion · Post by **neonmansion** » Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:24 pm

I used to use reason so I know that the redrum (although a fun sequencer) has very limited tweaking on it.

You're best bet is to edit the 808 sample using another modules ADSR parameters, bounce that kick and load it into redrum. That way it will hit the way you want every time wirthout having tweak anything. Other than that you should just load the 808 into another module that has adequate ADSR controls. Redrum just doesn't have them.

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:11 am

@efence - I dont like using the nn-xt its very complicated for the 808 I tried it before and I honestly can't get it.

@neomansion - I want to make my 808 consistent when it comes to the volume because I can hear that some hits don't have the same volume as the first time it hits

Is there anyway I could send you guys the reason session so you guys could show me because the way I have it is I connected a malstrom to that individual channel the only thing I can get to work is the mod A & B but other than that nothing.

neonmansion · Post by **neonmansion** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:47 am

i honestly don't know how you mean it isn't the same every time?? is it a sample? If its a sample then it should play the sample every time! unless the sampler is introducing some sort of modulation randomly..

also, not to sound mean but if you can't understand nn-xt you should get garageband.. u gotta learn ur synths breh

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:38 am

neonmansion wrote:i honestly don't know how you mean it isn't the same every time?? is it a sample? If its a sample then it should play the sample every time! unless the sampler is introducing some sort of modulation randomly..

also, not to sound mean but if you can't understand nn-xt you should get garageband.. u gotta learn ur synths breh

What I mean is that the first hit is perfect the 2nd hit isn't all there volume wise like it decreases in volume or one is louder than the last one if that makes sense like to me I think it's the decay that makes it do that not sure though.

And I know how to use all the synths fam it's just I could never get the hang of throwing samples into the nn-xt .

efence · Post by **efence** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:12 am

highly recommend watching this. this other great tutorials out there but this is the perfect start

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:20 am

efence wrote:highly recommend watching this. this other great tutorials out there but this is the perfect start

I'm definitely watching this when I get home. You think it would fix my problem though? The volume consistency cause honestly that's the only problem I have.

efence · Post by **efence** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:08 am

learning your daw in and out cant harm anything. The first daw i used was reason 1 so i've been around for a while . I remember in my early days hitting little hiccups light this, alot of the weird stuff was due to user error with out realizing it. what version are u running. If its 5 or below i'll take a look and try to figure out why your hits change....because they shouldn't. like said above sample players , should not change in volume on a repetitive pattern.

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:14 pm

I'm definitely going to upgrade my reason skills!! I also saw the video you linked me too, the videos I saw explaining how to do the process they made it so difficult and still wasnt exactly perfect.

I am running 5 what is your email so I could email you the reason session.

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:21 pm

also, i highly highly recommend you buy the upgrade to reason 6....so many great new features in it

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:25 am

ehbrums1 wrote:also, i highly highly recommend you buy the upgrade to reason 6....so many great new features in it

reason 6 doesnt rewire with Pro tools 8 and i cant upgrade to pt 9 because the vst's i use very often dont work on 9.

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:27 am

kyobeatz wrote:
ehbrums1 wrote:also, i highly highly recommend you buy the upgrade to reason 6....so many great new features in it

reason 6 doesnt rewire with Pro tools 8 and i cant upgrade to pt 9 because the vst's i use very often dont work on 9.

yeah it does, run reason in 32 bit mode

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:36 am

WORD???? dam I didnt know thanks homie but I highly doubt me upgrading to 6 would automatically fix the problem but now that I know that I could run it in 32bit I will probably go out and buy it.

ehbes · Post by **ehbes** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 12:38 am

well it can...reason 6 works with real audio, so you can just drop the sound right into the sequencer and edit it from there

AxeD · Post by **AxeD** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:35 am

If it's the same sample getting triggered throughout, with no automation on it at all.. how can the volume possibly
change?

Only explanation is it's recorded with varying velocities, or it's some weird bug.

kyobeatz · Post by **kyobeatz** » Sun Dec 09, 2012 2:09 am

AxeD wrote:If it's the same sample getting triggered throughout, with no automation on it at all.. how can the volume possibly
change?

Only explanation is it's recorded with varying velocities, or it's some weird bug.

theres pitch automation but that shouldn't make a difference, its the same sample just with pitch automation all hits are the same velocity.

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