Monsters/Bassclash - How do i make this synth?

[Epoxtacy]

I've read alot of topics on here of people asking "How do i make this requaky, P0gman like wobble bass?"
Well yeah I figured that out so please don't tell me to duckorgan+daftfilter and twist nobs.
Found a pretty good tutorial about making this Bassclash kind of synth but its for a synthesizer in Reason.
Since i work in massive thats not really helping me out.
I kinda hoped someone could explain me, how do they make this sound so crazy?

I already tried working with sample&hold, flangers and bitcrushers etc. but its not working out for me.
Damn there must be somebody out there who can explain me how the fuck to do this.

Here's some examples of the synth i'm talking about..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwKDV8JfKLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-SiRLoC7gs

Thanks in advance

[Epoxtacy]

Oh and yeah, the tutorial i was talkin about..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKolRoX83Ys

Maybe someone can tell me how to do this in massive?

[mthrfnk]

Try adding very very short delays to the sounds you have along with very tight reverbs, helps make a metallicky sort of top end.

Also to do that tutorial in Massive, why don't you just follow the basic steps (waveforms, filters etc.) and anything you don't know how to do similarly look up in the manual/online, and experiment.

[Epoxtacy]

Yeah tried using short delay and reverb but still sound very different, trying to figure that sound out for the last week and i'm coming close to what i want but still the sound is far off.
Also have a lot of trouble with the position of the synth ( varying from high to low octaves and so on )
Don't rly know what i do wrong but i will keep fucking around with it untill i have what i want.

And yeah, i did try that, working out the tutorial in massive but still, very shit sound..