What exactly is "TONAL" delay?

[Psykodelix]

I have been using the stock Fruity Delay 2 on my bass sounds for a heavy or robotic effect but I have been seeing stuff about "tonal" delay lately. I know it is in Sugar Bytes Artillery and Effectrix but I haven't found as good of a sound out of those as I have the stock Fruity Delay 2. I am probably missing something but I was just wondering what the difference in the "TONAL" delay is vs regular delay. In the Cyberoptics and D-Jahsta collab, Cyber said they used tonal delay and Mantis said the same about Fumes so I know it is powerful. Any help is appreciated

[blinx]

i believe tonal delays shift the pitch of the delaying/wet sound, where a normal delay just does the delay without pitch shifting.

Im probably wrong but after googling a bit this is what i deduced.

[MrBaxter]

I believe its when the delays are so short that it produces a pitched effect. You can hear a similar effect when playing with a sampler. Set a loop and then gradually contract the loop length. Eventually the loop will become so short that the looping itself pitches the sample.

[pembroke]

I think you'd benefit from reading this article.

[Psykodelix]

So if I were to put a delay somewhere around 1 to 15 ms where it adds a robotic comb effect, would that be considered tonal delay? Also, I would like to automate the fl delay by a few ms but this doesn't seem possible since a 1% change in an automation would be like 500ms or something huge. Is there any way to do a more accurate automation in fruity loops?

[Psykodelix]

Pembroke, thanks for your snide reply. If you had actually taken the time to Google tonal delay instead of going to justfuckinggoogleit, you would see that there are just a ton of results showing effects that say they have tonal delay without actually explaining what it is. In fact, my post was the 5th result on Google. Your post history suggests that you actually know nothing about production and are only here to hang out so please find somewhere else to mingle. If you actually had some friends you could do facebook, but 4Chan or Reddit is probably more what you are looking for.

[MrBaxter]

So if I were to put a delay somewhere around 1 to 15 ms where it adds a robotic comb effect, would that be considered tonal delay? Also, I would like to automate the fl delay by a few ms but this doesn't seem possible since a 1% change in an automation would be like 500ms or something huge. Is there any way to do a more accurate automation in fruity loops?

The delay time is just how often the delay repeats, so its repeating whatever is fed into it fully, just very closely together. This would not be a tonal delay because the wet delay signal is not pitched in any way, its just repeating the source very quickly and the various delays are overlapping each other phasing various frequencies in the process. I think to produce the tonal delay, each repeat would need to choke the previous repeat. Which would effectively be looping it like my sampler example. Hope that makes sense.

As far as accurate automation in fruity loops I would have no idea. From my understanding automation has a resolution of 127 values. You may be able to specify a range for the automation though, so for instance you reduce that the automation effects the parameter to lets say 1ms to 50ms. I would think that this range would be divided into the 127 values and you could get more accurate automation.

[Psykodelix]

Do you have any suggestions on the best tool to do tonal delay or what sampler to use? I have used sugar bytes artillery and effectrix but i cant get them to sound fat and evil like im going for and am able to do with fruity delay. I am probably missing something but there are also probably better tools for the job

[MrBaxter]

If your achieving the effect you want with fruity delay, then use it haha. I haven't messed around with tonal delay much, and the only "tonal delay" effect I own is the one in effectrix, so I can't think of a good tonal delay vst.

[Psykodelix]

i am satisfied but there is always something better. i know mantis and cyberoptics have told me they use tonal delay and i should have asked them more about it but i really want to find something to help get even better sound