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GURU 1.5.2

Post by the 9th temple » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:07 pm

Just in case anybody is [still] curious or sleeping on it, GURU 1.5.2 came out and it is absolutely sick. And if you use Live, check out the FXpansion forum - there's a post with great instructions on how to integrate guru with live and even a Live set to download.

Info on 1.5.2:

http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=4&tab=163

Check it out - and its worth noting that 1.5.2 is also the product of numerous feature requests from users. So, if there is a feature you want, it looks like Angus and company will listen and include it in a subsequent version.

Integrating with Live:

http://www.fxpansion.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2787

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Post by two oh one » Mon Sep 03, 2007 4:49 pm

I've been Beta testing this for a while. It's great, great, great!

:)

Easily the best drum software out there, IMHO. You could write a whole track with just this plugin alone.
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Post by FSTZ » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:22 pm

shhhhhh!

dont tell people about the baddest ass softsampler on the market!

it's my dirty little secret!!

dont tell them about bfd either!

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Post by two oh one » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:53 pm

unklefesta wrote:shhhhhh!

dont tell people about the baddest ass softsampler on the market!

it's my dirty little secret!!

dont tell them about bfd either!
Yeah, I always hover between telling people and keeping schtum. It's a criminally overlooked piece of software, though.
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Post by FSTZ » Tue Sep 04, 2007 2:15 am

two oh one wrote: It's a criminally overlooked piece of software, though.
yep

its so f&*^ing badass

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Post by auan » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:01 pm

Just been messing with the trial off the fxpansion site and DAMN. It's like... everything Battery wants to be.

Even better, the MPD24's got a preset for it that I'd never used :D

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Post by two oh one » Tue Sep 04, 2007 4:09 pm

Auan wrote:Just been messing with the trial off the fxpansion site and DAMN. It's like... everything Battery wants to be.

Even better, the MPD24's got a preset for it that I'd never used :D
Yep. It's really the best thing ever, but Battery has a bigger name, so everybody flocks to that like mindless sheep.

:)

You can download the MPC swing templates for GURU, too.

:D
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Post by auan » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:17 pm

I was gonna ask, can you load groove files into it in VST mode? Cos then with the MPD it would be the MPC on steroids that MPD buyers were hoping for.

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Post by two oh one » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:20 pm

Auan wrote:I was gonna ask, can you load groove files into it in VST mode? Cos then with the MPD it would be the MPC on steroids that MPD buyers were hoping for.
Yeah, I think it's a case of dropping the groove templates into the right directory, or something. I can't quite remember. The grooves are available to you in both the free standing app and the plugin. You can download the grooves from the user pages over at FXpansion when you log in.

Yeah, it's everything on 'roids. I used to think of it as Redrum on 'roids.

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Post by auan » Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:27 pm

Ah right, they're not standard MIDI grooves...

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Post by johnthethird » Tue Sep 04, 2007 8:30 pm

two oh one wrote:It's really the best thing ever, but Battery has a bigger name, so everybody flocks to that like mindless sheep.
That's such a load of crap. I like Guru, and would use it to produce most of my tracks but it's sampler is missing some fundamental things, at least since the last time I used it, and that was the previous update. I don't know about the new one. But if I'm going to integrate Guru into a sequencer I don't need all the extra crap in it. The pads are annoying to go back and forth if I'm not going to be using the sequencer. People use Battery because it does what it needs to do and it does it damn well, not because they're mindless sheep. Some people would rather have less features than having a bunch of clunky underdeveloped features. Not to say that they're not improving on Guru. It's definitely a good piece of software. But it just doesn't feel finished (haven't tried the new version yet).

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Post by two oh one » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:00 pm

No, it's not crap. Hardly anybody (In the big scheme of things) knows about Guru, so fewer people have tried it.

I could never get into Battery, despite everybody creaming themselves over it. Native instruments make nice sounding instruments that are always crippled by horrible, HORRIBLE!, user interfaces. They always use these fiddly little knobs that are next to impossible to use unless you're sat with the monitor right in front of you. I've got a fucking huge monitor, but it's sat back on the monitor bridge, so Native stuff just doesn't work for me because I can't see what I'm doing. :)

I clicked with Guru first time I used it. It's clean and very fast. I find it has all the features and ease of use that I want in a drum machine. I use just about all the features, yet I don't want it to be a deep and dedicated sampler, I have enough of those already and they're just too slow to get things up and running it.

Using the GURU pattern editor is what it's all about. You can do things in the pattern editor quickly that would be a massive pain in the arse to do in any host sequencer because it would require too much automation and fannying about. I don't see anything undeveloped about it.
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Post by auan » Tue Sep 04, 2007 9:21 pm

The graph editor is rather awesome, yes.

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Post by johnthethird » Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:29 am

two oh one wrote:I could never get into Battery, despite everybody creaming themselves over it. Native instruments make nice sounding instruments that are always crippled by horrible, HORRIBLE!, user interfaces. They always use these fiddly little knobs that are next to impossible to use unless you're sat with the monitor right in front of you. I've got a fucking huge monitor, but it's sat back on the monitor bridge, so Native stuff just doesn't work for me because I can't see what I'm doing. :)
That's what we would call an opinion ;)

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Post by FSTZ » Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:14 pm

TEAM GURU


GURU > BATTERY

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Post by auan » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:24 pm

The filters are awful. Can't say much for the reverb either. :twisted:
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Post by two oh one » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:53 pm

Auan wrote:The filters are awful. Can't say much for the reverb either. :twisted:
Yeah, they're not so good, but I always use the multi-outs and hook up nice EQ (Elemental Equium) and 'Verb (CSR) to the outs either as inserts or on buses.

The filters are OK for quick fixes, or to slap a sound into shape.

But still, best drum machine ever...

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Post by two oh one » Fri Sep 07, 2007 4:55 pm

johnthethird wrote:
two oh one wrote:I could never get into Battery, despite everybody creaming themselves over it. Native instruments make nice sounding instruments that are always crippled by horrible, HORRIBLE!, user interfaces. They always use these fiddly little knobs that are next to impossible to use unless you're sat with the monitor right in front of you. I've got a fucking huge monitor, but it's sat back on the monitor bridge, so Native stuff just doesn't work for me because I can't see what I'm doing. :)
That's what we would call an opinion ;)
That bit was, granted.
No, it's not crap. Hardly anybody (In the big scheme of things) knows about Guru, so fewer people have tried it.
That wasn't, though. That bit was brought to you by the mighty FACT hammer.

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Post by auan » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:03 pm

two oh one wrote:But still, best drum machine ever...

;)
I gotta agree, nothing's perfect.

Thing is I just forked out for an Electribe ER-1 mk2, thinking I'd use the midi outs on that along with Battery which I've been with since version one. Guru's nice, real nice, but I don't think I'm gonna be paying for it now.

Plus I got the MPd24 which is great with Guru and doesn't get a lot of use with much else, and the Electribe makes it's own sounds obviously, so now I've got 3 different good methods of making drums, and still no midi keyboard :lol:

If they sorted out the effects in Guru for version 2 or whatever, I'd be all over it, but I can't justify the switch financially now.
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Post by two oh one » Fri Sep 07, 2007 5:15 pm

Auan wrote:
two oh one wrote:But still, best drum machine ever...

;)
I gotta agree, nothing's perfect.

Thing is I just forked out for an Electribe ER-1 mk2, thinking I'd use the midi outs on that along with Battery which I've been with since version one. Guru's nice, real nice, but I don't think I'm gonna be paying for it now.

Plus I got the MPd24 which is great with Guru and doesn't get a lot of use with much else, and the Electribe makes it's own sounds obviously, so now I've got 3 different good methods of making drums, and still no midi keyboard :lol:

If they sorted out the effects in Guru for version 2 or whatever, I'd be all over it, but I can't justify the switch financially now.
You should head over to the FX forum and give them stick for the effects! They really do listen to user input. :) I'm on the fence, nicer effects are always, um, nicer, but I think it could become a CPU hog were there to be some top-grade effects in there.

Yeah, I've got the ER-1 Mk I. I think they're a modern day classic. :) Pity the EA-1 was so shite.

Maybe your whole 'thing' could be no-keyboard guy? Milk it as a gimmick?
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