Are mid range bass sounds in the same octave as the sub?

[ArrenMog]

I've always wondered whether mid range bass sounds are the same octave as the sub as surely this would conflict with the sub in some way? In my beats I tend to make a separate sub line and then make the mid range in the same octave and eq out the fundamental frequency but i usually feel that this leaves the mid range feeling weak and light and doesn't gel with the sub right as the sub lacks the same movement.

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Here are a couple of examples, I know that there are probably hundreds of ways of going about it but i just wanted to here other peoples opinions and techniques!

[Genevieve]

Doesn't matter, do what sounds best. My "midrange" is all over the place octave wise, while my sub isn't.

If something sounds weak, try adding layers and some slight width and saturation. Or saturate the sub and have that fill out a bit of the frequency.

[ThisIsSovereign]

The mid range should absolutely be an octave higher than the sub otherwise it literally wouldn't be mid range, it would just be two subs fighting with each other. For example in one of my songs my sub hits around 32-41hz and my mid range hits at 130hz and above whereas my kick is hitting hardest at 100hz with a bit of it falling down to the 60-80hz range.

Make your sub then when making your mid range put it up wherever it doesn't conflict with the kick/sub etc etc. Just remember to do what sounds best and EQ things so they don't conflict.

[Kronix]

The mid range should absolutely be an octave higher than the sub otherwise it literally wouldn't be mid range, it would just be two subs fighting with each other. For example in one of my songs my sub hits around 32-41hz and my mid range hits at 130hz and above whereas my kick is hitting hardest at 100hz with a bit of it falling down to the 60-80hz range.

Make your sub then when making your mid range put it up wherever it doesn't conflict with the kick/sub etc etc. Just remember to do what sounds best and EQ things so they don't conflict.

I disagree completely.

You can have the mid range running in the same octave as the sub, as long as you EQ them both correctly. Cutting anything above around 80hz on the sub will give plenty of room for the mid bass. And then cutting out anything below around 100hz on the mid bass will let the sub breath. Sometimes, putting the mid bass an octave higher makes everything sound like a cheesy mess.

[Eat Bass]

^ depends what sound your going for. if your going for a minimal sound and don't want a bunch of midrange cack, then sure by all means use the same octave as the sub, but with much more harmonics to give it the character that you want. however, if you are going for some crazy midrange bass usually, for me anyway, it is an octave higher than the sub. also i always tend to keep my midrange and sub bass playing the same notes, just at different octaves. unless you really know what your doing and have a good ear, i dont suggest playing different mid range notes over the sub...it just tends to sound bad in my experience...

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

people are getting confused between frequency content and what octave tonally a sound occupies. It really dosent matter what octave something is is as long as the mid dosent have like 30-100 hz frequencies clashing with the sub line.

[Artie_Fufkin]

^Ya, 30hz and 60hz have different harmonics.

[ArrenMog]

people are getting confused between frequency content and what octave tonally a sound occupies. It really dosent matter what octave something is is as long as the mid dosent have like 30-100 hz frequencies clashing with the sub line.

Yeah that's good because that's what i tend to do, make the mid range the same as the sub and just cut the fundamental out so that they don't clash.

On to the second part of my question though, doing this I tend to find the mid range doesn't 'move' well with the sub if you get what I mean.

I recently tried not having a separate sub line and using the sub from the midrange but this can make it difficult to get a solid and stable sub especially when switching between different bass sounds.

Anyone have any experience with this?

[Genevieve]

people are getting confused between frequency content and what octave tonally a sound occupies. It really dosent matter what octave something is is as long as the mid dosent have like 30-100 hz frequencies clashing with the sub line.

Yeah that's good because that's what i tend to do, make the mid range the same as the sub and just cut the fundamental out so that they don't clash.

On to the second part of my question though, doing this I tend to find the mid range doesn't 'move' well with the sub if you get what I mean.

I recently tried not having a separate sub line and using the sub from the midrange but this can make it difficult to get a solid and stable sub especially when switching between different bass sounds.

Anyone have any experience with this?

Send every bass sound to 2 busses. Hi-pass everything over 100 hz in one buss. Then, for the other bus, compress and low-pass everything below 100hz and turn that to mono. Then rout both signals back to a master bass-bus for more control over the overal signal again.

Though I honestly never experience that problem. No matter what octave my midrange is at, everything sounds proper together.