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best VST for Skrillex style growls??

Post by mJAi » Mon Jun 03, 2013 8:44 am

Can someone just tell me I use FLStudio and tried fingering with the Vocodex and stuff and was just thinking if anyone used Massive or FM8 to make growls? I have a lot of samples but i just dont wanna use dem, i wanna make my own growls. So anyone know any good VSTs for that? Also if possible let dem be below 200 mb and gimme tuts or something.

edit: sorry for posting it in the wrong forum im still kinda groggy :H: :roll:
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Re: best VST for Skrillex style growls??

Post by bouncingfish » Mon Jun 03, 2013 2:50 pm

You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

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Post by Sure_Fire » Tue Jun 04, 2013 8:11 am

Can't go wrong with massive, it can make pretty much anything that skrillex makes, and a heap of big name producers swear by it. I prefer Sytrus to FM8 for FM work, but FM8 is definitely capable. Some other good ones are harmless/harmor and toxic biohazard by image line, razor by Native instruments and zeta 2 by cakewalk (probably not ideal for growls though). I'd go with massive if you're starting out, there are heaps of tuts on youtube for it and lots of free patch downloads available. The only problem with massive is your stuff ends up sounding a little generic since it's used so much.
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Post by Brothulhu » Tue Jun 04, 2013 9:36 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlRwZJS6 ... r_embedded
I know a few people who swear on this tutorial, not interested in that sound myself. Use patcher in FL instead of the ableton macroy thing
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Post by mJAi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:51 am

bouncingfish wrote:You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

http://www.youtube.com/SeamlessR
ok so i saw some amazing tut called How to Bass 3 Vocodex Growls or something and the way Seamless did it it looked easy enuf. But whenever i try to assign the Modulator and Carrier things on teh top-center in the vocodex, it wont go above 0 and all i can select is 0 or none. WHAT DAFUQ?
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Post by Brothulhu » Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:19 am

mJAi wrote:
bouncingfish wrote:You're lucky to be on FL if you want to make dubstep.
-Watch SeamlessR's tutorials
-Congratulations, you are now skrillex

http://www.youtube.com/SeamlessR
ok so i saw some amazing tut called How to Bass 3 Vocodex Growls or something and the way Seamless did it it looked easy enuf. But whenever i try to assign the Modulator and Carrier things on teh top-center in the vocodex, it wont go above 0 and all i can select is 0 or none. WHAT DAFUQ?
Did you route them to the vocodex channel? And is vocodex set to receive them and not left and right channels
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Post by mJAi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 10:03 am

So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
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Post by mthrfnk » Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:30 am

mJAi wrote:So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.
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Post by Brothulhu » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:19 pm

mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.
This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing
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Post by mJAi » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:05 pm

Brothulhu wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.
This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing
:corntard: okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?
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Post by Brothulhu » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:20 pm

mJAi wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.
This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing
:corntard: okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?
Sytrus is just as powerful as fm8
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Post by mthrfnk » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:36 pm

mJAi wrote:
Brothulhu wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:So what exactly do you mean by ROUTING the mod and car to the vocodex? ROUTING....? :corntard:
Why don't you read the manual that came with Vocodex when you bought it... or more probably pirated it.

It's really not difficult to follow Seamless's tutorials, and if you can't get to grips with basic channel routing, you have no hope on creating Skrillex like growls.
This. I suggest you press f1 in FL and read at least the vocodex and mixer sections if not all of it if you don't even understand routing
:corntard: okay okay so i got what routing is. Its just that when Seamless takes his mouse in the two little boxes beside the l-r encoding thing(or what is it) and drags it to set the mixer tracks for mod and carrier, its done. But my boxes wont go higher that 0? Why the fuck?

and yeah, sorry for acting like a retard, but i dont have my PC right now. No PC, no Fruity. :'(

OR could i use anything else for the growls? Sytrus isint really complete in itself, and i cant afford FM8. Someone said Ham VST?
go for Ham m8, all the pro's use it.
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Post by dotcurrency » Wed Jun 19, 2013 3:43 am

mthrfnk wrote:go for Ham m8, all the pro's use it.
don't do it OP, its a trap :a:
'ave a listen
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Post by GenericNameHere » Wed Jun 19, 2013 4:29 am

^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

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Post by mJAi » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:07 am

GenericNameHere wrote:^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob :D
Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm
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mJAi wrote:
GenericNameHere wrote:^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob :D
Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm
Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.
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Post by bouncingfish » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:38 am

mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:
GenericNameHere wrote:^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob :D
Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm
Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.
Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.<YOU GOT TROLLED M8*
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Post by mthrfnk » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:52 am

bouncingfish wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:
GenericNameHere wrote:^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob :D
Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm
Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.
Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.
It's hard to get hold of, I contacted the developer for it who was pretty reluctant but eventually sent me over a copy. It's not the sort of vst you can just go out and download or buy - its really experimental stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if the developer had sold some of his code to Native Instruments to power the back end of Massive or even FM8, since Ham is like Massive on steroids when you know how to use it.
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Post by bouncingfish » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:57 am

mthrfnk wrote:
bouncingfish wrote:
mthrfnk wrote:
mJAi wrote:
GenericNameHere wrote:^^^Yeah, I get what he's saying. Don't get Ham VST, because after you get it, your sound won't "evolve" past the basic cliches of dubstep -- insanely-close-to-skrillexy-growls and formanty drops, etc.

Also, does anyone prefer "pure" FM growls -- possible filtered and phasered -- to vocoded ones? Or is it just me who feels the vocoded growls seem so ... vocody. Or do people rely on the vocoder carrier to give the bulk of the movement to a growl.

I'm a noob :D
Yeah, i guess. Did a bit research about that "HAM" VST. The basic fact is that it just makes angry growls without even doing anything. Spoonfeeding. And i HATE spoonfeeding. Or is it something else? And those FM growls..... hmmmmmm
Seriously just get Ham dude, it'll save you time and effort, it's basically an additive FM synth with parallel granular properties and a subtractive harmonic layer generator. I actually got my first record signing using a track which was all Ham, made like $10k of that shit.
Is it even real?
Haven't found one single youtube video of it.<YOU GOT TROLLED
It's hard to get hold of, I contacted the developer for it who was pretty reluctant but eventually sent me over a copy. It's not the sort of vst you can just go out and download or buy - its really experimental stuff. Wouldn't surprise me if the developer had sold some of his code to Native Instruments to power the back end of Massive or even FM8, since Ham is like Massive on steroids when you know how to use it.
*edit*

Okay, I was trolled again, fine. :oops:
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Post by mthrfnk » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:08 pm

Man I shouldn't even be talking about it on an open forum the devs would kill me, I'll try and hook you up with a contact, but seriously keep this on the down low.
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