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Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With PRISM

Post by alphacat » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:31 pm

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A best-selling author and technology expert has said that web users should boycott internet giants like Google and Facebook if it is confirmed they were involved in a US surveillance programme referred to as Prism.

In an interview with Wired.co.uk, Professor Tim Wu of Columbia Law School suggested that consumers had a responsibility to leave social networks found out to be collaborating secretly with intelligence services such as the US National Security Agency:

"Quit Facebook and use another search engine. It's simple." He added, "It's nice to keep in touch with your friends. But I think if you find out if it's true that these companies are involved in these surveillance programs you should just quit."

Wu cautioned that he felt many facts were not yet verified but admitted he was not surprised to hear of the existence of Prism. News of the programme was, he said, "shocking and dispiriting".

"When you have enormous concentrations of data in a few hands, spying becomes very easy," said Wu. "So Facebook and Google were always obvious targets for any government that wants to know stuff about people."

Wu was speaking after giving a keynote speech to delegates of ORGCon2013, an Open Rights Group conference held in London on Saturday 8 June. Appearing to refer to Prism during his address, Wu asserted that the current situation was one of "crisis".

As part of his keynote, Wu described several historical examples of technologies having been used as tools of oppression or societal control, such as enforced propaganda radio broadcasts by the izan regime. He also commented that he felt web users ought to have a "visceral" sense of ownership over their online data.

In further comments made during interview, Wu criticised the track record of the Obama administration on civil liberty issues, saying that the Justice Department under Obama had, in his opinion, been, "a colossal disappointment in this respect".

Responding to remarks made by President Obama immediately following revelations on Prism, Wu said, "I think he is underestimating the degree to which people want to feel safe and secure from eavesdropping." Wu added, "I'm not relieved by his comments at all."

Wu is known for his views on "network neutrality", a phrase he coined in the title of a 2003 academic paper which argued that internet service providers and governments should give equal treatment to all data transmitted via telecommunications networks.

According to a leaked PowerPoint presentation, Prism is a secret intelligence programme created to enable members of the NSA to retrieve user data from co-operating technology companies such as Google, Facebook, Apple, Yahoo and Skype.

Jim Killock, Executive Director of Open Rights Group, told Wired.co.uk: "I think people need to seriously consider quitting [these] services and moving to ones which are located within Europe. But also the government needs to insist that legal rights and privacy rights should be applied to non-US citizens. After all, European governments respect the rights of US citizens. Why shouldn't they do the same?"

Referring to the breaking of the Prism story two days before ORGCon2013, Killock said, "It focused the minds of everyone at the conference." He added that many members of ORG believed "they had to do their part to stop such abuses".

Although I know this would be a big step for most of us, the point about essentially voting with your money is valid IMO.

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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by hugh » Wed Jun 12, 2013 6:38 pm

I am going to delete my facebook at some point I reckon, but I just had a look on my profile settings and stuff and I can't even work out how to do it :lol:
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by NilsFG » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:08 pm

hugh wrote:I am going to delete my facebook at some point I reckon, but I just had a look on my profile settings and stuff and I can't even work out how to do it :lol:
I've been thinking about deleting my facebook profile on and off for a few months now, but I wouldn't know how to deal with it afterwards.
I mean, me and my best mates use a facebook group to decide on anything; where we'll be going to for dinner or party, planning for holidays, ...
It's really handy because everything's there. I'm also in a facebook group with the majority of my classmates to discuss about assignments, projects, exams, ...

If I quit I'll be totally out of the loop with, well, pretty much everything going on in my life atm. And I cba to set up like a new account with a pseudonym because that would be a waste of time anyways.

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Post by Pistonsbeneath » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:13 pm

You cannot delete your facebook, and there is a good reason for that...mark zuckerberg attended the bilderberg conference btw
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Post by Mason » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:25 pm

If you didn't read the entirety of the terms and conditions when you joined facebook you have no right to moan about any of this shit imo.
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by Genevieve » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:33 pm

Are there social networks only accessible through tor? Or even just a forum?

Would I want to join that place?
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by Benji » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:54 pm

Genevieve wrote:Are there social networks only accessible through tor? Or even just a forum?

Would I want to join that place?
Yes, yes and no

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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by alphacat » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:05 am

Hell, there's some seriously weird shit in the old Soviet Union (.su) domain.

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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by cloaked_up » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:08 am

what would one use for email if no gmail
hushmail lol?
that was compromised

tormail?
what a pain
can you route a nromal domain name mail / whatever you call it thru tor?
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by mks » Thu Jun 13, 2013 12:35 am

Didn't Google say something about "Don't be evil"?

Are there any search engines that you ninjas would recommend? I've been using Startpage a bit.

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Post by cloquet » Thu Jun 13, 2013 1:56 am

As far as search engines go I tend to use DuckDuckGo. I also use privacy plugins on Firefox - NoScript, Ghostery etc.

You can use Google encrypted, but I dunno if it works.

Also the privacy plugins could well be made by the NSA etc to make it easier to find people going out of their way to hide themselves.

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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by wormcode » Thu Jun 13, 2013 2:19 am

mks wrote:Didn't Google say something about "Don't be evil"?

Are there any search engines that you ninjas would recommend? I've been using Startpage a bit.
Like 10 or 15 years back that was their unofficial motto around the office. That was also before it was common for their average employee to be a millionaire and the company controlled most of the digital world. Power corrupts...

Some people who did not like what google had become quit the company and started up a great search engine called cuil, pronounce 'cool'. It was www.cuil.com but they got taken out a couple of years ago. I was using it regularly. It wasn't great yet but was promising.

TOR and Freenet are good, it's not all terrible content. There's as much legit stuff as bad stuff, and you can use them to secure yourself on the normal internet ('clearnet') but the problem is it's so slow. There's really no avoiding that though.

If you want to still use google, just secure yourself and your data. Anything you don't want logged or out in the open, use encryption. It's the only way really. Check out OTR/Off The Record messaging with a client like Pidgin @ http://www.cypherpunks.ca/otr/
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Post by Lye_Form » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:06 am

If its personal/private don't put it on the fucking internet.
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by Laszlo » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:36 am

What, like credit card details, home phone number/address for instance?

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Post by Lucifa » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:39 am

Mason wrote:If you didn't read the entirety of the terms and conditions when you joined facebook you have no right to moan about any of this shit imo.

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Post by Lye_Form » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:46 am

Laszlo wrote:What, like credit card details,
I should really say, assume nothing is private on the net, did anyone think that the government hasn't got access to all this data?
Laszlo wrote:home phone number/address for instance?
Government already know this and people can find this out through public records.
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Post by hutyluty » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:48 am

cloquet wrote:As far as search engines go I tend to use DuckDuckGo.
i used that for a bit but then it annoyed me because i had to type all the way to dub to get to dubstepforum
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Re: Expert: "Quit Google & Facebook" If They Colluded With P

Post by mIrReN » Thu Jun 13, 2013 9:51 am

unless they changed it recently there is a way to delete your account permanently
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