Mixing/Mastering Bootlegs?

[Dhinojosa94]

Bootleg within this context of the thread refers to an original track by an artist, in this case afrojack's as your friend, that has some of my original production slapped into it.

I hated the drop on the song so i produced a new one for it, but my pickle right now is that the track starts to clip with my new production, and when i lower my levels my bass can barely be heard. So how do i approach this?

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lower the level of the original? Automate a high pass? *maybe* multiband compression sidechained to what you've added? Side chain EQ?

What have you tried already?

[Dhinojosa94]

Well so far ive tried mixing it in hot, but it clips, i also tried making an aux bus containing everything i added in in a low level and then running it through a mastering bus that should bring the levels back up but it ends up clipping too, my fear of re-mixing and re-mastering everything is that there might be some loss in dynamics or something, im going to try it out being VERY subtle with ozone

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Well so far ive tried mixing it in hot, but it clips, i also tried making an aux bus containing everything i added in in a low level and then running it through a mastering bus that should bring the levels back up but it ends up clipping too, my fear of re-mixing and re-mastering everything is that there might be some loss in dynamics or something, im going to try it out being VERY subtle with ozone

What's the point of putting your additions on a bus, low level, then sending them somewhere else just to turn it back up??? Also, I don't understand how anything on Ozone is going to help.

It's clipping. Clipping means something needs turned down. Turn something down. Or use subtractive EQ. Or filtering. There isn't enough room in the mix. I'm sure a mastered Afrojack song is limited to fuck with no room in the mix anywhere, I'm not sure you've really got many options for reversing that except maybe EQ.

What is it you plan to do with Ozone, I just don't get how it'll help.

[Gewze]

turn the samples down?

[Dhinojosa94]

Well so far ive tried mixing it in hot, but it clips, i also tried making an aux bus containing everything i added in in a low level and then running it through a mastering bus that should bring the levels back up but it ends up clipping too, my fear of re-mixing and re-mastering everything is that there might be some loss in dynamics or something, im going to try it out being VERY subtle with ozone

What's the point of putting your additions on a bus, low level, then sending them somewhere else just to turn it back up??? Also, I don't understand how anything on Ozone is going to help.

It's clipping. Clipping means something needs turned down. Turn something down. Or use subtractive EQ. Or filtering. There isn't enough room in the mix. I'm sure a mastered Afrojack song is limited to fuck with no room in the mix anywhere, I'm not sure you've really got many options for reversing that except maybe EQ.

What is it you plan to do with Ozone, I just don't get how it'll help.

but im not playing stuff directly over the original song,

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what i was going to try is to set everything low again, is if it was the mixdown stage, have it peak at -8, bounce it then make it loud again

[mthrfnk]

So confused by this thread. If you're clipping, turn shit down... simple mixdown theory?

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Well so far ive tried mixing it in hot, but it clips, i also tried making an aux bus containing everything i added in in a low level and then running it through a mastering bus that should bring the levels back up but it ends up clipping too, my fear of re-mixing and re-mastering everything is that there might be some loss in dynamics or something, im going to try it out being VERY subtle with ozone

What's the point of putting your additions on a bus, low level, then sending them somewhere else just to turn it back up??? Also, I don't understand how anything on Ozone is going to help.

It's clipping. Clipping means something needs turned down. Turn something down. Or use subtractive EQ. Or filtering. There isn't enough room in the mix. I'm sure a mastered Afrojack song is limited to fuck with no room in the mix anywhere, I'm not sure you've really got many options for reversing that except maybe EQ.

What is it you plan to do with Ozone, I just don't get how it'll help.

but im not playing stuff directly over the original song,

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what i was going to try is to set everything low again, is if it was the mixdown stage, have it peak at -8, bounce it then make it loud again

BUT WHY?

If you aren't even playing your new sounds over the Afrojack song, WTF is the point of doing all that???

Also, you didn't say you weren't playing the two parts on top of each other

I seriously still understand what you are trying to accomplish by this. For one, turn it down doesn't undo any of the compression that's been done, so you aren't technically gaining any headroom (?) Not sure about the last bit...

[Dhinojosa94]

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BUT WHY?

If you aren't even playing your new sounds over the Afrojack song, WTF is the point of doing all that???

Also, you didn't say you weren't playing the two parts on top of each other

I seriously still understand what you are trying to accomplish by this. For one, turn it down doesn't undo any of the compression that's been done, so you aren't technically gaining any headroom (?) Not sure about the last bit...[/quote]

Cause when my part plays over the drum loop i sampled from the intro of the song it clips to over 6db, whenever i turn it down to a point where its not clipping the master its barely audible, thats my issue

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So you are layering part of the song and your new material. Ok. Well that's what I'm saying, you might have to sidechain the drum track to the leads you wrote.

[Dhinojosa94]

So you are layering part of the song and your new material. Ok. Well that's what I'm saying, you might have to sidechain the drum track to the leads you wrote.

The new drop IS sidechained to the drum loop i sampled from the extended version, however i have to turn either waaaaaaay down, making it inaudible in order to prevent clipping, that is my question, how do i properly mix them so that they sound like they came from the same place and prevent clipping

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I can't think of anything to tell you besides what I've already suggested. Sorry man, hopefully someone else more talented can fill you in

[Dhinojosa94]

I can't think of anything to tell you besides what I've already suggested. Sorry man, hopefully someone else more talented can fill you in

ended up lowering everything to -5db then slapping and adlim to pump it back up to -.1

[Ongelegen]

Mix your own parts like you would normally, peaking around -10 tops -8dBFS. Then bring in the sampled part until it sounds right in terms of perceived loudness within the mix. Dont pay attention to the peak value of the sampled part. It has been mastered and has a higher RMS than the rest of your elements and it will have a lower peak value at the same perceived loudness.

[ieatfunk]

Works like any other mixdown.

Get everything to the volume you want it to be when it's mixed, even if it's clipping, then select every track you have, including aux tracks like reverb or delay, and lower them all together until you have about -3/-2dB headroom. Then master.