Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

hardware, software, tips and tricks
Forum rules
By using this "Production" sub-forum, you acknowledge that you have read, understood and agreed with our terms of use for this site. Click HERE to read them. If you do not agree to our terms of use, you must exit this site immediately. We do not accept any responsibility for the content, submissions, information or links contained herein. Users posting content here, do so completely at their own risk.

Quick Link to Feedback Forum
mpharm
Posts: 12
Joined: Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:24 pm

Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by mpharm » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:51 am

Hey guys,basically i am trying to figure out how to make the sound ducking only in
specific frequencies,for example at 200hz if sidechained to a snare,without having the whole signal ducking.
CAMO&KROOKED are explaining that this is the optimal way to sidechain for
maximum loudness in the youtube video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axkr-rKDumQ @ 4:32 mins.
Since im not on fl,anyone knows of any way to do that on ableton or with any vst compressor?
thanks

User avatar
Coolschmid
Posts: 464
Joined: Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:41 am

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by Coolschmid » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:16 am

Try using an automation clip turning the eq on and off or automating the cut amount if you want it smoother. Then just copy/paste it wherever the snare clips are

titchbit
Posts: 3536
Joined: Sat May 11, 2013 8:16 pm
Location: levitating on bass weight

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by titchbit » Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:52 am

On Ableton I'm pretty sure you can do it with the multiband compressor or auto-filter audio effects.

claudedefaren
Posts: 412
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:57 am

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by claudedefaren » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:05 am

Go to glitchhopforum and search for simteks linear phase frequency splitter (ableton audio effect rack)

Mess with the knobs until you've got the 200hz area selected (more or less, you'll have extra but no big) in the middle band.

Throw a compressor there after the eq (rack), sidechain accordingly

Can also do this with kick + clap for dance music (if necessary)

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:06 am

Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?

User avatar
Ascian
Posts: 285
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 3:53 pm

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by Ascian » Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:55 pm

It is a lot easier than all these suggestions... Just stick any multiband compressor with a sidechain input on the track you want to compress - restrict one of the bands to 170 - 220 Hz (to taste) and aim it at the snare track!

:W:
Ascian - Expecting Resistance

Soundcloud


Metric - Twilight Galaxy (Ascian Remix)

Soundcloud


Click here for production video tutorials>Image

titchbit
Posts: 3536
Joined: Sat May 11, 2013 8:16 pm
Location: levitating on bass weight

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by titchbit » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:42 pm

Ascian wrote:It is a lot easier than all these suggestions... Just stick any multiband compressor with a sidechain input on the track you want to compress - restrict one of the bands to 170 - 220 Hz (to taste) and aim it at the snare track!

:W:
dubunked wrote:On Ableton I'm pretty sure you can do it with the multiband compressor or auto-filter audio effects.
OP, do the multiband compressor. it was made for this shit.

User avatar
Libra
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:28 pm
Location: UK

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by Libra » Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:11 pm

Melda dynamic eq. Say no more
Libra (Previously known as Depone)
http://www.libraofficial.com


Libra - Royce
Soundcloud

User avatar
AxeD
Posts: 9361
Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:10 pm
Location: Damstarem

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by AxeD » Tue Jun 18, 2013 7:00 pm

Can't you just stick an eq in the sidechain path?
Agent 47 wrote:Next time I can think of something, I will.

claudedefaren
Posts: 412
Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:57 am

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by claudedefaren » Wed Jun 19, 2013 12:32 am

AAbleton's multiband compressor suffers from phase issues. That's why you should do what i suggested.

User avatar
bouncingfish
Posts: 598
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 5:11 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by bouncingfish » Wed Jun 19, 2013 1:06 am

RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?
By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?
I need to stop changing my sig

Hey, finally got soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/h-e-l-l-o
some guy from facebook wrote: -instead being would have said stop acting judgemental of others then yet on you mind is not yet acting judgemental

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:33 am

bouncingfish wrote:
RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?
By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?
Well since we're assuming OP uses ableton, use audio effect racks. I'm not familiar enough with other DAWs (apart from reason) to know how that would work.

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Wed Jun 19, 2013 6:35 am

claudedefaren wrote:AAbleton's multiband compressor suffers from phase issues.
Fucking tell me about it :(

User avatar
AxeD
Posts: 9361
Joined: Tue Oct 20, 2009 10:10 pm
Location: Damstarem

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by AxeD » Wed Jun 19, 2013 9:48 am

Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.
Agent 47 wrote:Next time I can think of something, I will.

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Wed Jun 19, 2013 10:07 am

AxeD wrote:Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.
he wants the compressed signal to duck at 200 Hz. Not to only trigger when the input hits at 200 hz.

User avatar
bouncingfish
Posts: 598
Joined: Fri May 10, 2013 5:11 pm
Location: Sweden

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by bouncingfish » Wed Jun 19, 2013 11:40 am

RmoniK wrote:
bouncingfish wrote:
RmoniK wrote:Just split the signal into frequency bands and sidechain those bands?
By sending the signal into busses with eq's on them? You'll end up with shitloads of busses if you're gonna do that to many tracks.
Or did I miss something?
Well since we're assuming OP uses ableton, use audio effect racks. I'm not familiar enough with other DAWs (apart from reason) to know how that would work.
Aha, ok. I'm also interested in this but in Logic i would have to set this up with busses, one bus for los, one for lo mids, one for hi mids etc.
There must be another way!
I need to stop changing my sig

Hey, finally got soundcloud
https://soundcloud.com/h-e-l-l-o
some guy from facebook wrote: -instead being would have said stop acting judgemental of others then yet on you mind is not yet acting judgemental

User avatar
Libra
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:28 pm
Location: UK

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by Libra » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:13 pm

RmoniK wrote:
AxeD wrote:Did you guys read the post?
He want's it to only duck at 200hz. So stick an EQ between the trigger and the sidechain input.
he wants the compressed signal to duck at 200 Hz. Not to only trigger when the input hits at 200 hz.
I think you guys are miss understanding something. Compressors will only compress the whole signal, it is not frequency dependent. By filtering the sidechain signal you are only letting the threshold 'hear' what you want it to hear to trigger. For example, if you want to use a drum kit as a sidechain input, you can filter everything out but the kick to trigger the sidechain.

Its a general miss conception that crops up all the time, but basically you either need a dynamic eq (check melda free demo) or a multi-band comp (I wouldn't recommend it this way)
Libra (Previously known as Depone)
http://www.libraofficial.com


Libra - Royce
Soundcloud

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:45 pm

That's what i'm saying.

To be honest, the easiest way i can think of to do this if you can't split frequency easily is to duplicate the signal (bass or whatever). then on the duplicate channel, use a sidechain GATE, so the signal only comes through when the snare hits. The filter out the signal so it's only the stuff you want to go away when the snare kicks in. Then reverse the phase of that entire channel. It should work but you might get some phasing.

User avatar
Libra
Posts: 105
Joined: Sun Jun 09, 2013 12:28 pm
Location: UK

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by Libra » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:50 pm

Yeah that could work, but its a bit complicated and unnecessary.
Have you guys tried the melda dyn eq? Its such a good eq and sick for sidechaining its eq bands dynamically.
Libra (Previously known as Depone)
http://www.libraofficial.com


Libra - Royce
Soundcloud

RmoniK
Posts: 863
Joined: Wed Nov 03, 2010 2:25 pm
Location: Ghent, Belgium

Re: Freq. specific sidechain(peak controlling)

Post by RmoniK » Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:51 pm

Or that :P I rarely use VSTs apart from synths, i should probably give it a try.

Locked

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests