Dubby Sounding Delays

cochise · Post by **cochise** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:17 pm

Hello there. This is going to be quite difficult for me to explain so please excuse me if you have no idea what im talking about.
I would like to know how the Dub sounding delay is achieved. The best way i can describe it is the delay that is sometimes used on a snare in dub. it gives the sound reverb for a long time and sounds like a long echo. it is also used on chord parts or vocals. in a lot of reggae dub and dubstep tunes. Black Uhuru - African Culture Dub uses it a lot. i hope someone knows what im on about and thankyou for your time.

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:21 pm

high feedback, short delay. Also use some reverb

b-lam · Post by **b-lam** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:32 pm

wat he said ^^^

and if the delay ur using has a dry/wet setting try turning the wet signal up so that the delay is louder than the original sound...

cochise · Post by **cochise** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:33 pm

sweet. thankyou

thump rat · Post by **thump rat** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:55 pm

I can get a lovely tubby esque snare out of careful layering and eq'ing then using the twang reverb in guitar rig.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:01 pm

The authentic dub delay sound is done with a tape delay. The Roland RE 201 Space Echo is a favourite.

The 'sound' you probably want is a combination of the delay sound and usually a spring reverb which has a deep, metallic sound. It adds sproing.

If you want to get the sound easily, I'd suggest getting the UAD DSP card and a copy of the RE-201 plugin. Expensive, but oh so worth it because it models the sound really convincingly.

If you want to go cheap, a tape delay or delay plugin that is capable of sucking out high end (and low end) frequencies with successive delays. It makes the sound thinner and more piercing.

King Dubby is a free tape delay:

http://www.lowcoders.net/kd.html

The spring verb sound can be had from impulse modelling reverbs. There is also a free verb plugin from PSP called 'pianoverb' that emulates using a piano wire as a reverb unit. You can get something quite sproingy out of that if you piss around enough.
http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.htm ... iano.html;

I heard somebody was making a proper spring VST at one point, but never knew what happened to it. Another option is that you could set up a bus with a plate verb or something that has a metallic ring and emphasise it with either clever EQ, or set up a really short delay on a bus to get a metallic sound.

mrhope · Post by **mrhope** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:27 pm

You can get some great successive delay effects with Deelay. It has controls of high pass/low pass filtering frequencies, resonance, and Q in addition to the typical stereo/ping pong delay effect (with feedback). Deelay is excellent. It synchronizes to BPM, or you can use manual settings.

pushre · Post by **pushre** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:43 pm

http://www.interruptor.ch/vst_overview.shtml

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:54 pm

ok here I is givin away me secret (so take notes LOL)

this can be applied to any delay machine (hardware or software)

ok what I do is take a 1/8th delay and add a good amount of feedback, but not too much, about 55-60%

then take another delay machine in the same chain and give it a different time like 3/16, 6/12 even 1/4th and put the mix so that delay is mostly wet (versus dry) and add a gross amount of feedback like 80%

mess with the levels until it sounds right

throw a panning filter, spring reverb in there... go friggin crazy

EZZZZ

FSTZed

nekkroteukh · Post by **nekkroteukh** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:48 pm

1/8 or 1/4 triplets with long feedback, and some reverb does it for me.

dubsteppa · Post by **dubsteppa** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:18 pm

in ableton all id do would be to add reverb adjust decay time

flippo · Post by **flippo** » Thu Sep 06, 2007 10:57 pm

run your delat through a series of EQ's and/or filters, modulate those.

ekaj · Post by **ekaj** » Fri Sep 07, 2007 8:40 am

Usually 3 or 6 step delay with a lot of feedback and lots of reverb

thee · Post by **thee** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:03 pm

The link given above by pushre as a good delay,it sounds a bit rough to me ,but that may be desirable-also Ohmforce's Ohmboyz is useful.
If you have the cash you can not beat one of the Space eko's from Roland.
Also the tape delay in Logic is nice.

auan · Post by **auan** » Sat Sep 08, 2007 3:34 pm

Thee wrote:If you have the cash you can not beat one of the Space eko's from Roland.

Roland just brought out a reissue of the space echo.

http://www.roland.com/products/en/RE-20/index.html

Because it's released as Boss, they're marketing it as a guitar pedal. But it can take a Line-in and has a Dry/Wet control that you can set to 100% wet, making it a potentially awesome outboard send effect. Bit of a secret weapon for a non-dubstep-producing mate of mine.

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:50 am

delay + Lfo =

roqqert · Post by **roqqert** » Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:08 pm

its even harder to make dubstep WITHOUT too much reverb and delay

so it stays banging

cochise · Post by **cochise** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 5:40 pm

Thankyou all for your feedback. you have answered my question and more. i like to see that everyone has different ways of tackling this, it gives a much better perspective on things. ok im off to fiddle with my knobs...

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 6:38 pm

Cochise wrote:ok im off to fiddle with my knobs...

fnarr fnarr.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Mon Sep 10, 2007 9:25 pm

Auan wrote:
Cochise wrote:ok im off to fiddle with my knobs...
fnarr fnarr.

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