Deconstructing this lead.

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Okay not really a sound design one, although any tips on creating these kind of leads is always welcome. The thing is I'm trying to deconstruct the lead melody that kicks in 0:17 in the video below.
So the thing is, I'm trying to recreate the melody in my DAW, not to use it in a track but to learn from in terms of composition, sound and layering with the chords on top which you can hear in the 8 bar before the lead kicks in.

Somehow the lead sounds like something I've heard earlier in terms of sound, but I can't seem to remember from what, but the sound of it is very familiar. I already got pretty close with the MIDI notes, but there is some resonant stuff in the lead patch which I can't figure out. It doesn't sound like the lead is actually a patch where the oscillators are set to form a chord, or my brain is f*cking with me. Any help appreciated on deconstructing this thing is welcome.

I'm also trying to find out if there is a particular scale used, but from the notes I've got so far it doesn't seem to be that difficult. Looking at the notes I've got it looks like an C Major or A minor, but with an accidental D# every now and then.

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Well, as for the scales: http://www.looknohands.com/chordhouse/piano/ might help, look into other modes
Also you might be hearing the scale wrong and using just the proper intervals, so use something for spectral analysis or something like that if you want to copy the entire lead, it'd be more precise if you haven't got quite the perfect ear yet.

He probably doesn't stay in scale though since I'd guess he probably just jammed out on the guitar and wrote it down to make this lead... you can get out of key / mode pretty quickly that way

EDIT: here's the riff: http://i.imgur.com/bfnqdG6.jpg
It's G-Minor locrian mode.

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Thanks a lot, let me copy that now and investigate... To the studio!

Edit, you are right with the bottom G note and the high G, but to me it doesn't sound like all the notes are right. Tried layering the two over each other and the G notes do sound in key, but some others certainly don't. The A# sound out of tune with the original lead, and to me it sounds like there is also a change in the bottom G note. Could it be that there is also some pitch modulation on the lead?

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Thanks a lot, let me copy that now and investigate... To the studio!

Edit, you are right with the bottom G note and the high G, but to me it doesn't sound like all the notes are right. Tried layering the two over each other and the G notes do sound in key, but some others certainly don't. The A# sound out of tune with the original lead, and to me it sounds like there is also a change in the bottom G note. Could it be that there is also some pitch modulation on the lead?

I just relistened every note layered with the original track and looked at it in a spectrum analyzer and every note is right except for that C# C part with the tapestop, i mislistened that because of that tapestop effect, it's actually just a C, but other than that all the notes should be right.
I don't think there's any fancy modulation on the synth other than maybe some slight detuning
edit: here: http://soundcloud.com/omega-point-music ... ng/s-RmNA1
I think you are talking about that other variation of the melody, but it shouldn't be too hard for you to get that riff right.... if it is, get your ears checked m8

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Thanks a lot, let me copy that now and investigate... To the studio!

Edit, you are right with the bottom G note and the high G, but to me it doesn't sound like all the notes are right. Tried layering the two over each other and the G notes do sound in key, but some others certainly don't. The A# sound out of tune with the original lead, and to me it sounds like there is also a change in the bottom G note. Could it be that there is also some pitch modulation on the lead?

I just relistened every note layered with the original track and looked at it in a spectrum analyzer and every note is right except for that C# C part with the tapestop, i mislistened that because of that tapestop effect, it's actually just a C, but other than that all the notes should be right.
I don't think there's any fancy modulation on the synth other than maybe some slight detuning
edit: here: http://soundcloud.com/omega-point-music ... ng/s-RmNA1
I think you are talking about that other variation of the melody, but it shouldn't be too hard for you to get that riff right.... if it is, get your ears checked m8

Well it was quite late when I worked on it yesterday, so it might be that. Just rechecked and did sound quite okay, it was probably since I was using a different kinda lead synth. So that lead you made is just a couple of saws detuned on separate octaves if I'm not mistaken? Or did you just layered your synth on top of the original? Btw doing a proper remix of this tune, asked Teminite himself and he was willing to share the stems with me.

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Thanks a lot, let me copy that now and investigate... To the studio!

Edit, you are right with the bottom G note and the high G, but to me it doesn't sound like all the notes are right. Tried layering the two over each other and the G notes do sound in key, but some others certainly don't. The A# sound out of tune with the original lead, and to me it sounds like there is also a change in the bottom G note. Could it be that there is also some pitch modulation on the lead?

I just relistened every note layered with the original track and looked at it in a spectrum analyzer and every note is right except for that C# C part with the tapestop, i mislistened that because of that tapestop effect, it's actually just a C, but other than that all the notes should be right.
I don't think there's any fancy modulation on the synth other than maybe some slight detuning
edit: here: http://soundcloud.com/omega-point-music ... ng/s-RmNA1
I think you are talking about that other variation of the melody, but it shouldn't be too hard for you to get that riff right.... if it is, get your ears checked m8

Well it was quite late when I worked on it yesterday, so it might be that. Just rechecked and did sound quite okay, it was probably since I was using a different kinda lead synth. So that lead you made is just a couple of saws detuned on separate octaves if I'm not mistaken? Or did you just layered your synth on top of the original? Btw doing a proper remix of this tune, asked Teminite himself and he was willing to share the stems with me.

yeah it's a sawtooth and another an octave up with lower volume and i just layered it so you can hear that the notes are right. i guess you thought it was wrong since you compared it to the variation, the first sequence of the riff is a variation, i started of with the 2nd sequence. well, sounds cool post it in the WIP thread I'm curious how it turns out.