Super Crazy Protohype/Kezwik Arrangments

[Dolson]

Hey guys. i've been doing a ton of research about drop arrangements and re-sampling techniques on here but i still could not find anything about super glitchy hectic basslines like this. These drops just blew me away. what do you guys think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrGaBahFN0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gHsb1iWELM

[azuk]

The drops aren't really complex at all.

EDIT: The best drops aren't the one that have been glitched/chopped and mangled. It tends to sound better to have a simpler harder hitting drop.

[ParadigmAU]

Just make some ear piercing mid range and sequence one sound after the other...

[Dolson]

yeah i try and sequence them one after another but there must be an easier way! bouncing to audio and arranging that way doesn't help me. I wonder if they make a bunch of midi clips with different automation and arrange midi clips? i'm just trying to figure out the different ways of putting sounds down. sequencing one by one doesn't seem like its the way they did it, seeing as it would take them so long to play each sound out at once right?

[azuk]

yeah i try and sequence them one after another but there must be an easier way! bouncing to audio and arranging that way doesn't help me. I wonder if they make a bunch of midi clips with different automation and arrange midi clips? i'm just trying to figure out the different ways of putting sounds down. sequencing one by one doesn't seem like its the way they did it, seeing as it would take them so long to play each sound out at once right?

Just sequence them after another, there's nothing overly complex about the drops.

[R3b_Official]

I know what your talking about OP. Look up ascian on youtube, hes on here and goes really in depth with resampling basses. Once you have a nice gnarly bass it can be glitched up into sampler and that gives that chop chop with some of the basses in the videos.

[Dolson]

I just checked out that guys channel and there is some pretty good stuff! Its not the bass processing that im having trouble with, its more of the triggering of different bass sounds so quickly without sequencing them one at a time. You mentioned something about loading them into simpler? can you talk more about that man? Thanks

[mthrfnk]

I just checked out that guys channel and there is some pretty good stuff! Its not the bass processing that im having trouble with, its more of the triggering of different bass sounds so quickly without sequencing them one at a time. You mentioned something about loading them into simpler? can you talk more about that man? Thanks

If you're too lazy to sequence a bassline manually then give up, it's really not that hard and it's probably one of the best ways to create a coherent and syncopated drop without having 100000 midi/automation clips trying to trigger all at once.

[R3b_Official]

I just checked out that guys channel and there is some pretty good stuff! Its not the bass processing that im having trouble with, its more of the triggering of different bass sounds so quickly without sequencing them one at a time. You mentioned something about loading them into simpler? can you talk more about that man? Thanks

That was for a sound design point of view to get a chopped up bass and get some good sounds after you sampled it. But i agree with both of them. Its just practive really. Ive learned recently and idk if im stupid or something but when i got to make a song i make all my sounds on the spot or give up and find a decent patch. While it might end up in as nice sound, spending all that time stops that creative flow of your song. If you want a good bass line stop whatever you doing. Let the project sit for a couple days and make some crazy sounds! So when you to start it up again you have all of these original sounds at your will and drop it whenever you like!

Keep it simple, keep it stupid. Often than none most "drops" only consist of maybe three notes in the generic sense of dubstep. Your growl( pitched down a scale over a 1/2 beat), then you might thrown in a couple lead stabs and pitch those as well, add your yoy bass on an off beat and mess with automation, then throw down your sick massive wobble patch and do a little messing around with the speed and notes. Most of these notes are played on the black keys of the piano roll( sharps and flats.)

Do this arrangement over 8 bars the least but no more than 16. Keep adding in sounds when you can. Dont play all 6 instruments at the same time unless its highest peak of your songs interest. Put some fx sweeps and crashes for the listeners ear to key in on certain stuff. Try copy someones bassline if you want, then when it sounds decent go in add modulate everything you can! Listen to any song out there and some secrets in artist production or sound design lies in it. I was listening to Datsik just now and i hear clearly exactly what wave tables hes using in massive. Going to try replicate some of his stuff out of curiosity and resample it to get a nice gritty crunch to it.

Ok im done hoped it helped.

[Dolson]

Assuming i'm lazy....

I don't think telling somebody to "give up" for wanting to explore different more efficient ways of sequencing a drop is a productive response. Its not that I'm "Lazy" its that i want to learn about different methods people use. There is never one way to do something, especially in production. If you don't have anything positive to add, then don't post a reply.

[Dolson]

R3b, that's a lot of useful information man. I appreciate it! ill definitely get my sound design up to speed before i make a bassline.

[R3b_Official]

R3b, that's a lot of useful information man. I appreciate it! ill definitely get my sound design up to speed before i make a bassline.

Awesome! Its funny because ill ive been doing for about a year now is sound design and music theory havent made a tune by myself yet. Made songs from tuts but thats it! Some days im super motivative to make a track but i just done have that flow yet to pump songs out daily. I get so side tracked and a perfectionist at everything so when i make something it will be big.

[azuk]

Your sound design doesn't need to be too advanced.

The most important part is to get your arrangement down.

There are two methods commonly used.
Either manually sequence (ridiculously easy) or program them with a hardware controller (Launchpad/Push/APC).

[Dolson]

R3b: Dude i'm the same exact way. Except I feel confident with my theory because I came into producing a musician but i feel like my sound design is sometimes lacking. I make a really cool patch when I'm just messing around but when i get serious and say "i have to make some patches" then i cant create shit!

Azuk: I have a launchpad but I don't really utilize it for production. I have always used it for strictly performance. Do you have any information about programming a drop that way? I want to try it out!

[azuk]

Yeah, I use my Launchpad for sequencing drop sometimes. So I'll bounce out a bunch of clips load them up and ess around on the launchpad. I'll have it recorded then use it as the drop.

[audiowaves]

I think if your on ableton you could use your bounced audio file, right click on it and choose slice to midi (select the grid sice) and the sounds should be placed in a drumrack. I don't have a launchpad so I can't guide you from here

[AntidoteWasTaken]

I would recommend getting all the sounds you want to use ready, then you have a couple options.

Either re sampling them and just slicing them and changing parts around, duplicating certain things, you can also try reversing them.

Or make a bunch of different short phrases you like with each sound. Ie. maybe a few pitch bent basses in differnt directions and a few whoop sounds.
then take the different phrases and put them into a drum rack and you can either use a launch pad or just play with them in piano roll and put something you like together.

Personally I make a few cool sounding bars then resample to see if i can't add some more spice to them.