Recreating Skrux/Vexare Bass

[Musick]

Hey everyone,

I have been trying for days now to make a bass synth that's been popularized by Xilent (if I had a favorite producer, he just may be it, the amount of respect I have for this guy is unparallel).

The sound I am specifically looking for is like the smooth, melodic bass that still has a bit of edginess to it. Here's some youtube links to the sound I'm looking for.

"Choose Me Part II" - Xilent: at 1:09, that synth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXSgKC4iRE

Or

"The Silent Majority" - Vexare: at 42 seconds, the same styled synth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vXSgKC4iRE

Or

"Cosmos (Skrux & Complexion Remix)" - Clark Kent & Yinyues at 1:25, same style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mCabqANH-Q

I have tried making this sound for a week now. I understand that these sounds are slightly apart from each other but I think that's to give them a unique sound to each producer?

I'm still very new at producing, but here's what I've tried (and had some resemblance of the sound), using Massive:

3 saw waves, all detuned, one at an octave below and one at two octaves below. Passed through a Lowpass 4 with a cutoff that widens via an envelope (specifically ENV 4). The envelope has a longer attack to compensate for peak point at the and of the note. 6 voices, pitch cutoff and pan position adjusted as necessary. Some brown noise, and a Parabolic Shaper, a classic tube and dimension expander for the FX, and EQing cutting off some of the highs and boosting the mids.

I can get decently close through that, but I am starting to question whether the sound I'm looking for is layered because I can't seem to recreate it!

[ShrapnelDubstep]

It's just a sidechained supersaw with some more additional mid and sub layers played as chords. Then sidechained.
If you use Ableton I've made a pretty close instrument rack that is kind of like this if you want it, just tell me if you use Ableton and I'll upload it for ya.

Bit of an idea of how it sounds:
Soundcloud

Obviously not perfect, it doesn't have the sub/mid layers just the supersaw itself.

[Musick]

Hey thanks for the info! Definitely thought there was a possibility that this sound was being layered, and thank you!

I can't seem to be able to listen to the link you posted though.. It's telling me the link doesn't exist

I am actually using FL Studio unfortunately Is there a way I could convert that to FL Studio use? This type of sound and music is definitely want I want to produce. I have such a passion for emotional stuff!

Oh and with that said I EFFING LOVE your song "Extrovert"!! Seriously that song is the type of stuff I'd love to produce!

[GregoryTJ]

It is pretty straight forward isn't it? Just make a supersaw and sidechain it to your kick.
Then make some sort of crappy little pluck like in these songs and create some chords with it.



You might like this song by the way. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSIFnqZzMDw

Pretty neat sound in the drop, still working on remaking it. This post just reminded me of it.

[Musick]

I've found recently that I tend to overthink these sounds, like recreating famous stuff, so I should have expected it to be straight forward haha. I will try and make a non-crappy pluck though! Seems like these plucks tend to be a simple 8-bit/chip-tune pluck which I could definitely do..

I love that song! Heard it for the first time just now and I feel like that's the same sound I'm looking for, just stripped down to the pure and core sound without all the fluff (which I think can be even harder to make strong in a song).

[Sinergy]

how could you choose the producer name Skrux, people would forever think you are ripping off/trying to be/tcopying skrillex no matter what you do

[R3b_Official]

It's just a sidechained supersaw with some more additional mid and sub layers played as chords. Then sidechained.
If you use Ableton I've made a pretty close instrument rack that is kind of like this if you want it, just tell me if you use Ableton and I'll upload it for ya.

Bit of an idea of how it sounds:
Soundcloud

Obviously not perfect, it doesn't have the sub/mid layers just the supersaw itself.

I wouldn't mind a rack of this . I'm pretty bad at making supersaws like this. I normally fool around with a patch or something.

On a side note, do think this could be done with out the normal sidechain method?

Lately Ive been using a gate or limiter and manually drawing in automation for a sidechained effect. Pretty nice!

[Musick]

how could you choose the producer name Skrux, people would forever think you are ripping off/trying to be/tcopying skrillex no matter what you do

I thought the same thing lol but his remix of Diamond Sky put him on the map I suppose..

I wouldn't mind a rack of this . I'm pretty bad at making supersaws like this. I normally fool around with a patch or something.

On a side note, do think this could be done with out the normal sidechain method?

Lately Ive been using a gate or limiter and manually drawing in automation for a sidechained effect. Pretty nice!

Well I actually managed to recreate the sound pretty easily. I put a dimension expander, classic tube, and slight EQing, and a parabolic shaper and it gave me a nice sound. Oh also, voicing I think I put on 16 (because there were some minor kinks in the sound I had to zone out).

Yes it can be done without a normal sidechain. I mean you could automate volume, but what I did was actually add a daft filter and attached the cutoff to an envelope that widened over the note. It gave it a little bit of vocal and pitched it up slightly, but gave a really nice flow throughout the note.

I also managed to take the same chord and layer it over 3 or 4 octaves, and reproduced the full sound! Now to get to work on a good melody....

EDIT: Why do you manually automate to sidechain? Is it because you want different lengths of cutting out the sound for different lengths of percussion? Cuz I think you could also use a compressor to sidechain to do that?

[R3b_Official]

EDIT: Why do you manually automate to sidechain? Is it because you want different lengths of cutting out the sound for different lengths of percussion? Cuz I think you could also use a compressor to sidechain to do that?

Well i was wrong in my post^ it was a actually the utility tool in ableton. Its not really to that that big house sort of sidechain feel but to duck in sounds a bit better to get slightly smoother rhythm. I tried it on this neuro hop thingy and bounced out the original patch out of operator and made something like 5 tracks and added different effects for different sounds and used different starting points inside sampler. Its a pretty bad attempt and horrible rhythm. You can hear i guess a sidechained effect going on and things jumping and duck out of one an another.

I guess you could do volume automation as well, not really sure what utility does besides make a track mono and adjust levels.

I remember there was a thread awhile ago of someone trying to side chain an eq so a kick and a bass would have more clean fell or something. So when the kick hit the bass freq it would duck out with a notch or bell and when the kick finishes, the bass burst back up. Maybe it wasnt a bass and kick but something with snares?Im not sure but it was on here a longgggg time ago.

Heres the shitty neuro clip.

Soundcloud


*edit found a nice tut on this. Pretty good

[Musick]

EDIT: Why do you manually automate to sidechain? Is it because you want different lengths of cutting out the sound for different lengths of percussion? Cuz I think you could also use a compressor to sidechain to do that?

Well i was wrong in my post^ it was a actually the utility tool in ableton. Its not really to that that big house sort of sidechain feel but to duck in sounds a bit better to get slightly smoother rhythm. I tried it on this neuro hop thingy and bounced out the original patch out of operator and made something like 5 tracks and added different effects for different sounds and used different starting points inside sampler. Its a pretty bad attempt and horrible rhythm. You can hear i guess a sidechained effect going on and things jumping and duck out of one an another.

I guess you could do volume automation as well, not really sure what utility does besides make a track mono and adjust levels.

I remember there was a thread awhile ago of someone trying to side chain an eq so a kick and a bass would have more clean fell or something. So when the kick hit the bass freq it would duck out with a notch or bell and when the kick finishes, the bass burst back up. Maybe it wasnt a bass and kick but something with snares?Im not sure but it was on here a longgggg time ago.

Heres the shitty neuro clip.

Soundcloud


*edit found a nice tut on this. Pretty good

Hey man Skrux actually replied on this tutorial and it blew my mind. He said the sound is super close to his!! I will finish replying when I'm done watching, I'm just so stoked..

This day is almost as good as when George Acosta wished me a happy birthday on Instagram... **fanboying....**

EDIT: See I think what one thing that hinders me is when I hear these sounds that I want to base my work off of, my mind can't separate the layers in what I'm hearing yet. It's like I don't have a trained mind to pick apart this sound, because I'm not used to thinking this way. Like this sound isn't necessarily tough to make, it's just a bit of layering that I would have never guessed to put together.

[LogiSpark]

Here's a preset for sylenth1 you can use. The supersaw +1 is meant to be played on octave higher, but anyways you can use both.

Supersaw +1

High n loud supersaw

Preview:

Soundcloud

[Musick]

Ah thank you! It sounds awesome! Definitely going to use this to my advantage haha