Monitors for Neurofunk?

[Ledger]

I somewhat recently got myself in to a bit of a heap... I'm addicted to neurofunk. Anyways, as I still have yet to get a pair of monitors and such, what would be a great all around budget pair of studio monitors? I heard Mackie's are monsters.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

krk rokits are great, really affordable, anyone can tell you theyre probably the best at entry level, dont get any smaller than 8" or youll end up needing a sub. 8" or higher is where you'll get your bass response.

[test_recordings]

Actually, they're just well-known as entry level. Look at reviews and search the forums, I just bought some Yamaha NS-20M after hearing them in the shop... need an amp and interface now too though

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skip the rokits and go for equator d5's or the new d8's. roughly the same price range and the quality is night and day.

it really depends on your budget. a nice pair of 8 inch monitors will set you back 800-1000 for a pair. a shit pair will be 5-600. really what i'd recommend is considering the room you are listening in and whether or not a sub would actually benefit you. i'm a huge bass music listener (probably about 80% of what i listen to nowadays) and honestly my equators (5'' coaxials) were fine for me, the only frustration being that producing was hard without being able to hear/feel low frequencies. listening was very enjoyable, at no point did i wish for more bass in that department.

definitely worth going for some half decent 400-500$ 5'' nearfields and a sub down the road if you really feel the need for it, if listening is your plan. if production is on your agenda and you're in a small untreated bedroom the sub will greatly cloud your perception of your mix.

[Crimsonghost]

Rokits are popular because there cheap and you know exactly what you're getting with them. There not great, but you can do worse.

Equitors are supposed to be nice (fragments has them, ask him). The new presonus monitors are supposed to be nice also, and priced similarly to the Rokits (ie. entry level).

Don't listen to these fools about 8" cones. I can guarantee you're room is too small and too untreated to handle the low end. All you'll end up with us sonic mush.

Get something good in a 5-6" and use some headphones/spectral analysis for checking the low end. Once you learn how the monitors act, that extra low end from the 8" become (somewhat) negligible.

[benjam]

skip the rokits and go for equator d5's or the new d8's. roughly the same price range and the quality is night and day.

it really depends on your budget. a nice pair of 8 inch monitors will set you back 800-1000 for a pair. a shit pair will be 5-600. really what i'd recommend is considering the room you are listening in and whether or not a sub would actually benefit you. i'm a huge bass music listener (probably about 80% of what i listen to nowadays) and honestly my equators (5'' coaxials) were fine for me, the only frustration being that producing was hard without being able to hear/feel low frequencies. listening was very enjoyable, at no point did i wish for more bass in that department.

definitely worth going for some half decent 400-500$ 5'' nearfields and a sub down the road if you really feel the need for it, if listening is your plan. if production is on your agenda and you're in a small untreated bedroom the sub will greatly cloud your perception of your mix.

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[Icetickle]

Rokits are popular because there cheap and you know exactly what you're getting with them. There not great, but you can do worse.

Equitors are supposed to be nice (fragments has them, ask him). The new presonus monitors are supposed to be nice also, and priced similarly to the Rokits (ie. entry level).

Don't listen to these fools about 8" cones. I can guarantee you're room is too small and too untreated to handle the low end. All you'll end up with us sonic mush.

Get something good in a 5-6" and use some headphones/spectral analysis for checking the low end. Once you learn how the monitors act, that extra low end from the 8" become (somewhat) negligible.

Don't bother going with anything that's made by presonus. I've found out few weeks ago that these presonus headphones I have, apparently have a 5-6dB boost on the treble. Now I'm trying to mod them...
Also I heard that all of the presonus products get sent back after the testing.

[Ledger]

I use a pair of DT-990 Pros for all of my production, but once I get monitors, they'll be just for night time production/listening and low end checking. I've heard a lot of great reviews about the Equators too. I think I remember Noisia referencing Mackie's as go to monitors? I'd check myself, but DOA has been down since early September. :/

Ninja Edit: Adam monitors*

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they are all reputable companies, i think equator is probably the best quality/money ratio right now but i'm obviously biased as i own a pair. i shopped rigorously for about 2 months prior to pulling the trigger though, and that was the conclusion i reached. i have a friend with some rokit 5's and they are decent, but not as clear as my equators. the coaxial design really eliminates a ton of phasing, with the addition of some room treatment and some isoacoustic stands (another recommendation i would seriously consider if you're going to plop the speakers flat on your desk, or even on some isolating foam. these things RULE)

adams are good but expensive, and there is a lot of talk about the high end on them being a bit shrill because of the tweeter design. mackies have a great reputation, but not for their entry level monitors. i think the mid range ones are where they really get solid reviews and reputation.

i was doing the headphone thing for a while, until i realized that two things are really missing from a headphone mix; stereo image perception and bottom end tightness/levels. something i'm really trying to nail as a producer is getting a morphing sub layer to fit PERFECTLY with a mid-range sound, and i wasn't really able to do this until i switched to monitors. the subpac helped too, but that's another thread haha. all i have to say is listening to neurofunk with room treatment+subpac+equators+stands is audio bliss.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Don't listen to these fools about 8" cones. I can guarantee you're room is too small and too untreated to handle the low end. All you'll end up with us sonic mush.

^ have you SEEN the room that the OP lives/produces in? or are you talking about YOUR room..

research some studio tour/setup vids on youtube, most people start with rokits, and build from there. nearly every studio (amateur AND professional) has at least one set of rokits - theyre popular for a reason. everyone i know who has them shows no regrets.
you can "hate on the mainstream" and popular stuff all you like, a lot of people like to go for the underdog, but it could be worse, you could be advocating the purchase of m-audio monitors..

just quietly, im also looking at getting the 5" presonus new release monitors for cross reffing against my rokits..

if you have a shit room, then yes, youll get sonic mush, but WHO honestly doesnt use headphones/car stereos/computer speakers etc for cross referencing on their mixdown??
is that not what an eq and a good set of ears is for?

you LEARN your gear inside and out over time, its more about training your ears and developing a skill rather than blaming it on a room..
ive produced in some terrible rooms over the years, and let me tell you, my technique has benefited from it greatly, you learn more from being in a shit situation than you do when everything is handed to you on a silver platter.

youre going to regret not having low end on your speakers. and youll kick yourself when you realise youre going to need a sub or a new set of larger monitors.

also, balancing a sub to your monitors in a shit room is a HELL of a lot more difficult than dealing with 8" cones in a shit room. at least the speaker is giving you a true output so to speak.

and you can always look into acoustic treatment. recoil pads and diffusion panels arent as expensive/as much of a hassle as everyone thinks they are. and HEY, theres another skill you can develop. treating rooms is an art and its something people can appreciate if you do it well.

thats my two cents in regards to the 'fool' that i supposedly am.

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you learn more from being in a shit situation than you do when everything is handed to you on a silver platter.

wisely spoken.

being super fucking bored i scrolled through his post history real quick. producer sure enough, seeing a lot of skrillex/brostep love, a post regarding working with parents and moving around to different rooms of his house. yeah, bedroom producer for sure who still lives with the rents. no posts regarding questions about treatment or room arrangement so he's basically clueless in that department as far as we know, and about to rush into a very expensive decision. so yeah, 5'' monitors and a sub down the road (or a subpac hint hint OP) seems about right. op definitely isn't chilling in a room within a room lol.

sure it's great to deal with a shit situation to improve with your skill, but if you can make your initial situation as shit-less as possible why not do it?

[LUNCHPADDLE]

you learn more from being in a shit situation than you do when everything is handed to you on a silver platter.

wisely spoken.

..but you are assuming that he is producing, when the original post says nothing about it. being super fucking bored i scrolled through his post history real quick. producer sure enough, seeing a lot of skrillex/brostep love, a post regarding working with parents and moving around to different rooms of his house. yeah, bedroom producer for sure who still lives with the rents. no posts regarding questions about treatment or room arrangement so he's basically clueless in that department, about to rush into a very expensive decision. so yeah, 5'' monitors and a sub down the road (or a subpac hint hint OP) seems about right. op definitely isn't chilling in a room within a room lol.

wait, is op NOT a producer? wtf do you want monitors for then OP!? :s

^ actually, having said that, even if it is an expensive decision, 8" monitors are just great to have in a home sound system setup for general listening/appreciation.


@difference: i saw the subpac on kickstarter over a year ago!!! so so glad it took off! really want one myself for when im mixing with headphones, seems like a great piece of gear but i'm yet to try it..
although, i personally wouldnt use it in conjunction with monitors.. just because live sound (imho) requires/delivers a more legitimate feel than headphones can deliver, and therefore the technology exists for headphone listening and tracking in mind to SIMULATE the feel of live bass frequencies. (der)

i wanna be feeling the sub out of my monitors, in the way the designers intended me to.
^ but then again, i live in a house where i can crank them to their full potential, whereas some peoples monitors never go above 50% volume due to their living situation/circumstances..
*sheds a tear for those poor suckers*
#apartmentlivin'


LOL! chilling in a room within a room?

*ROOMCEPTION*

[LUNCHPADDLE]

Actually, they're just well-known as entry level. Look at reviews and search the forums, I just bought some Yamaha NS-20M after hearing them in the shop... need an amp and interface now too though

@test recordings: did you buy passive monitors then?

OP needs to keep in mind that active monitors have their own power supply and dont require the purchase of an unnecessary amp, OP will only need to acquire an interface. the focusrite scarlett 2i2 is easily the choice in this regard. (diy research)
but it's cheap, simple and fucking effective! XD

^ i have a 2i4 myself and its amazing. no regrets.
plus focusrite are renowned for the quality of their preamps and inputs, and most (competing) companies buy focusrite parts to go into their own designs and equipment.

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whoa fuck you posted multiple times LOL, i caught myself and edited my post. forgot he mentioned producing in headphones. anyways...

yeah the subpac rules dude, give it a shot and mail it back if you don't like it, i can almost guarantee you will be immediately sold. i understand what you mean about sound vs. physical sensation but after using the subpac for about a week the illusion of sub bass is so accurate that i can now guess in my head what the sub will sound like in headphones when i'm away from home because i'm so used to how different subs feel. however with the ability to crank your sub it's not so necessary for you as it was for me, i don't have that option. agree with you on focusrite, i grabbed a saffire 6 for $90 used at a local guitar center. no USB 2.0 sucks but it hasn't created problems for me so far. and the pre's are really nice like people say. and yeah room within a room, was being sarcastic ^^

believe it or not quite a few people buy monitors just for listening. i know quite a few DNB heads that have some and go nowhere near a daw. not going to lie, it was an expensive endeavor but even if i stop producing down the line, i will never be able to listen to logitechs again. spoiled forever.

OP if you are in a small room go 5'', your mixes will thank you for it. or don't and struggle initially, either way you'll get there with enough determination. i suck at mixing so i wanted to give myself the best environment possible and in a small bedroom 5'' monitors and treatment are the way to go if you are serious about producing. good luck!

[LUNCHPADDLE]

sa nice pair of 8 inch monitors will set you back 800-1000 for a pair..

just saying for conversations' sake; i got my rokit 8's (G2's) for $700.00AUD brand new.
therefore they should be considerably cheaper in england.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

whoa fuck you posted multiple times LOL, i caught myself and edited my post. forgot he mentioned producing in headphones. anyways...

yeah the subpac rules dude, give it a shot and mail it back if you don't like it, i can almost guarantee you will be immediately sold. however with the ability to crank your sub it's not so necessary for you as it was for me, i don't have that option. agree with you on focusrite, i grabbed a saffire 6 for $90 used at a local guitar center. no USB 2.0 sucks but it hasn't created problems for me so far. and the pre's are really nice like people say. and yeah room within a room, was being sarcastic ^^

believe it or not quite a few people buy monitors just for listening. i know quite a few DNB heads that have some and go nowhere near a daw. not going to lie, it was an expensive endeavor but even if i stop producing down the line, i will never be able to listen to logitechs again. spoiled forever.

yeah man im such a sound system snob now. haha! the clarity is worth the $$$
years ago, used to mix on on a $99, 2.1 logitech system. LOL
the switch to monitors actually nearly triggered an orgasm hahaha!


i have one mate (out of about 4 who have them) who uses them for listening only. such a wise move.
the marketing surrounding sound systems pisses me off.
"MEGA BASS BOOSTER" & "TRI-PORT EQ" & "SUPER DYNAMIC SOUND TECHNOLOGY" etc etc, if you need to be boosting the bass and stating how much better you think your product makes the sound, either the producer/engineer has done a shit job OR the system itself is shit. (imho)

if you need to label the features of such things, you're clearly marketing to underinformed consumers.

it just shits me knowing what i know now.. although, im still learning a ton on a daily basis through my own research etc.

might have to grab a subpac and have a crack, i didnt know i could try one out without paying for it? last time i heard it mentioned was in regards to them trying to get crowdfunding to finish it off! again, so stoked the technology went somewhere, such a good idea! even just for home listeners/pc gaming.
so damn versatile.


AHHA lol!!
i didnt realise the room within a room thing was a link the first time around! haha!

[AxeD]

How is the first reaction on this not someone laughing his ass off about the Neurofunk speakers thing..
dsf is a total let down right now.

Also, it seems to me like at least half of you are talking bollocks. Can't really sugar coat it... also, this subpac thing
seems like it's the furthest from any decent monitoring equipment.
And don't come at me with the usual sarcastic remark about me not contributing to help OP find the right
Neurofunk loudspeakers either..

(good old internet negativity right there)

[LUNCHPADDLE]

How is the first reaction on this not someone laughing his ass off about the Neurofunk speakers thing..
dsf is a total let down right now.

Also, it seems to me like at least half of you are talking bollocks. Can't really sugar coat it... also, this subpac thing
seems like it's the furthest from any decent monitoring equipment.
And don't come at me with the usual sarcastic remark about me not contributing to help OP find the right
Neurofunk loudspeakers either..

(good old internet negativity right there)

to each his own mate, youre quick to say we're full of shit but youre not providing any insight yourself.
i dont care what the guy listens to, as long as hes enjoying himself and being provided with decent information.
its better than nothing.

having done a bit of research on the subpac myself vs you knowing zip about it, i could care less what you think of it. its interesting & fun technology nonetheless.

if you dish out negativity you have to expect some in return.

forums like this go to shit because people jump up on their high horse and tie themselves on, even once theyve taken an arrow to the neck, theyre still glued to their saddle, desperately flailing and bobbing their heads around in an aggressive effort to remain staunch.

on a positive note; id love to hear some of your productions, i was listening to some of difference's stuff yesterday and i was really impressed, ergo i would like to assume that he does know what hes talking about, and id like to think i do to some extent too, having spent the better part of 3 years producing and researching various areas of sound design and music production..

if you dont have any skills/music/valid discussion to bring to the table you should stick your negativity in your back pocket and nick off to one of the brostep threads.

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this subpac thing
seems like it's the furthest from any decent monitoring equipment.

wrong but it's easy to make that assumption, it looks like something gimmicky better suited for a video game. but it slams, and it's so accurate..if you had one velcro'd to the back of your computer chair for a week sitting inbetween monitors i think you'd have a change of heart.

yes, op making a thread asking "what kind of monitors would be best for this kind of music" is a bit retarded, so we jumped in and gave him info on speakers that sound good period, because that's all you want to look for lol. the old troll in me definitely wanted to flame him for asking this question, but in the end it's just not productive, and look at the name of the forum.

[LUNCHPADDLE]

i just love talking about anything production related man.. i dont need no sour grapes in my basket