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Postby JamesHanvey » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:06 pm

It's quite a broad subject, but I want to know how the drums on songs like teardrop by massive attack and buiscuit by portis head are made to sound the way they do. I know there's a lot of white noise included but how specifically do they go about it?

If anyone knows of any sample packs which includr similar drum hits then that'd be great!


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Postby NinjaEdit » Mon Nov 10, 2014 12:33 pm

Some filtering might help. Portishead use considerable compression.
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Postby test_recordings » Mon Nov 10, 2014 1:22 pm

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Postby pete_bubonic » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:46 pm

A lot of softer live drum samples. High end percussion (shakers, hihats) with open transients and soft eq'ing. I think a lot of the skill lies in the eq'ing of it all, making the mixdowns deep enough and just a little muddy so it all feels warm and cocoon like.
Portishead used a fair chunk of geoff barrows drums I think, as well as old funk breaks being reworked.

I think also using more foley sample driven stuff, the aim being to make the music feel more organic and natural. Rimshots and hand clicks always help!
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Postby Sharmaji » Mon Nov 10, 2014 4:56 pm

samples of folks playing quietly (esp. drums), compressed to all hell for impact and volume.
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Postby legend4ry » Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:34 pm

Sharmaji wrote:samples of folks playing quietly (esp. drums), compressed to all hell for impact and volume.


This.

Its how I did this :

https://soundcloud.com/fatkidonfire/leg ... lightly-ft
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Postby JamesHanvey » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:15 am

legend4ry wrote:
Sharmaji wrote:samples of folks playing quietly (esp. drums), compressed to all hell for impact and volume.


This.

Its how I did this :

https://soundcloud.com/fatkidonfire/leg ... lightly-ft



Can something like that be done with EZdrummer?
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Postby legend4ry » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:26 am

JamesHanvey wrote:
legend4ry wrote:
Sharmaji wrote:samples of folks playing quietly (esp. drums), compressed to all hell for impact and volume.


This.

Its how I did this :

https://soundcloud.com/fatkidonfire/leg ... lightly-ft



Can something like that be done with EZdrummer?


I haven't used EZdrummer for absolutely ages but...

Load up a soft/tight kit.

Play your drums with a low velocity and compress it to shit within the mixer inside ezdrummer.

Once you've got it sounding nice and rounded, add some layers for character, maybe push the cymbols to their own mixer slot (externally) and bring down the high end a bit, use a SSL compressor to glue it together ('the glue' is great for this).

I'd ease up on reverb and keep as just overheads.

Something along these lines should give you a similar sound.

I got this : https://soundcloud.com/legend4ry/love-isnt-blind from using ^ that technique but using Native Instruments' Drum Lab.
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Postby legend4ry » Tue Nov 11, 2014 1:31 am

Its also funny that you mentioned Biscuit, I've been trying to recreate it for years.

My absolute favourite Portishead track.

Who are also my favourite band.
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Postby fragments » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:13 am

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/rap-hip ... +hop+drums

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Postby legend4ry » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:27 am

fragments wrote:https://www.gearslutz.com/board/rap-hip-hop-engineering-production/452073-trip-hop-pros.html?highlight=trip+hop+drums

Paul Godfrey from Morcheeba talks shop on gearslutz!



This is sick!
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Postby JamesHanvey » Tue Nov 11, 2014 2:36 am

Okay cheers, really helpful advice I'll definatley have a go. The drums in your tracks are exactly the kind of style I was looking for.

And indeed, buiscuit is a masterpiece!
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Postby fragments » Tue Nov 11, 2014 5:26 am

legend4ry wrote:
fragments wrote:https://www.gearslutz.com/board/rap-hip-hop-engineering-production/452073-trip-hop-pros.html?highlight=trip+hop+drums

Paul Godfrey from Morcheeba talks shop on gearslutz!



This is sick!


I'm not sure I've got all the way through it ever, but started it many times. Well worth the read whatever kind of music you make.
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Postby Samuel_L_Damnson » Tue Nov 11, 2014 12:27 pm

Also get on the paralel comp or saturation. Also bounce out ur drum track as audio when ur happy with it and edit it like that cos I feel that's how the beats would have been done (except on a sampler)
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Postby fragments » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:32 pm

I thought that both Massive Attack and Portishead used pitched down vinyl samples?

I also found it interesting that Morcheeba sampled other electronic music vinyls of the time and how Godfrey would use vinyl and the turn table to record synth hits and such in different ways.

Reading through that article makes me feel like working totally in a DAW is some kind of paint by numbers exercise even when I know better.
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Postby Samuel_L_Damnson » Tue Nov 11, 2014 7:38 pm

Ahh sound I just meant it would have been a sampled break or s.t.
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Postby nameless133 » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:45 pm

Some jazz/funk drum samples (or cut out from breaks), lot's of reverb. Low olume.
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Postby NinjaEdit » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:27 am

I found turning the highshelf down helped, especially on the kick.
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Postby Samuel_L_Damnson » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:27 pm

Yea to get that muffled thump! Everything should be covered up a little in the highs imo
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Postby JamesHanvey » Thu Nov 13, 2014 6:39 pm

I've put together an effect rack after reading up and watching a few videos (i apply this after i've compressed and saturated etc. the loop) Here's an image of it:

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I've got this set up on drums, but it works with anything, just mess around with the hp and lp till it sounds right(I've added a bit of a sub kick underneath the drums to fill in the missing bottom end). Basically the filter delay is a spring reverb emulator (alothough i dont think its 100% set up right on the print screen), and the last delay is a tape delay so i have a nice speed up speed down effect.




This is also quite a nice thing to have on the master if the songs going to be sounding "vintage": although im not mixing on monitors atm so i could be wrong

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this set up might not be the best if anyone sees anything wrong then let us know please!
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