How to mix so many different sounds within same beat/bar?

[soronery]

GJ Fukit (world's first guitar DJ)

what does this mean?

[soronery]

awww he got deleted

i had more questions about what being the worlds first guitar dj was like

[ThisIsSovereign]

[guitardj1]

Okay, so I have no idea why my other profile got deleted? If I violated any rules, I apologize in advance. I had given what I thought was positive feedback on some of the mixes in the other thread and then suddenly today I find out my posts have been deleted?

I am a huge fan of dubstep so would like to be a positive member of this community.

Sorry if my claim of being the first Guitar DJ pissed anybody off?

But back to my original question, how do dubstep producers get so many varied sounds in a bar? Is it as simple as midi with different samples? Is it four tracks with three that are muted on each beat? I really want to know as I've been accustomed to only having multiple tracks playing at same time's

Thanks in advance

Thanks

[guitardj1]

Hello all, just wanted to bump this thread. I'm BEGGING YOU TALENTED, EXPERIENCED DUBSTEP PRODUCERS, how to do this?

Basically acts such as Skrillex and Knife Party (and many others I'm sure) do this mixing/production strategy where within a single bar or several bars, every beat will have a completely different sound/sample but it's not like a multi-track mix where you have say 10 tracks playing. It's distinctly it's own sound from one beat to the other within the bar. It could be a wobbly bass, then suddenly a guitar part, then suddenly a vocal sample, etc. Or it could be two bars.

Whether you love him or hate him, Skrillex has this in his song.

My Name Is Skrillex has this in the middle from 2:11 to 3:00 on youtube.

If you guys hate his guts, I'll find other examples but I figured he's the most prolific guy that most would know.

Thanks in advance!
GJF

[RADD]

but it's not like a multi-track mix where you have say 10 tracks playing.

says who?

Because it's probably that, one track with all different resampled audio samples on it or one/several drumracks loaded with different samples

What is a guitar dj?

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

If u compressed all those basses and midrange samples or what ever using the sane compressor only giving a lite bit of gain reduction it can help "glue" those sounds together

[R0]

Once any sound is recorded as audio you can edit and cut and paste it however you want, you can also do the same thing with having sounds triggered from synthesizers. All the sounds/guitar/vocals *are* different sounds just stitched together. He is building a pallette of sounds and then rhythmically and melodically putting them into the track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jez-i9u2g1g look at a random piano cover, thats the guts of what is happening but the notes are replaced by different sounds/effects. I hope that is simple enough to understand.

Also some advice: Dont make claims about things you dont have the scope of knowledge to claim. The odds are you will never ever be the first nor the best at something, aim to work out what you want to say and how to say it cos you *can* be the best at expressing yourself that *you* can be.

[topmo3]

wtf

[guitardj1]

Hello and thanks to all of you for your helpful responses. I really appreciate your time.

I will respond to each of your posts accordingly.

but it's not like a multi-track mix where you have say 10 tracks playing.

says who?

Because it's probably that, one track with all different resampled audio samples on it or one/several drumracks loaded with different samples

What is a guitar dj?

I apologize if I wasn't as clear in that last post. What I was trying to express was that unlike a multitrack mix where you might have drums, vocals, bass, lead guitar, keyboard, vocal harmonies, rhythm guitar (so say 7 tracks) playing at same time, in the example I was trying to give, it sounds like distinctly different tracks OR as you said distinctly different tracks stitched together. But they are still distinctly different meaning that the wobbly bass on bar 1 is not there for the rest of the bars, and then the vocal on bar 3 is not there for the other bars, then the drums might only be there for bar 2 or 4, does this make sense? But yes, I agree with you that they could possibly just all be stitched together as one track so my question is more of a MIXING QUESTION then.

As for guitar DJ, well I actually play guitar while DJ'ing and have also done guitar remixes of different tracks. I posted a two of Skream's In For the Kill and Skrillex's Scary Monsters but they were taken down in my other profile so I'm not sure if I broke any rules by doing so, so don't want to risk making that mistake again.

If u compressed all those basses and midrange samples or what ever using the sane compressor only giving a lite bit of gain reduction it can help "glue" those sounds together

Thanks for the tip! I'm not sure if I necessarily want to glue them together as I do like the different sounds blending with each other but if they sound too out of whack, will definitely compress them all together and obviously a limiter on the master.

Once any sound is recorded as audio you can edit and cut and paste it however you want, you can also do the same thing with having sounds triggered from synthesizers. All the sounds/guitar/vocals *are* different sounds just stitched together. He is building a pallette of sounds and then rhythmically and melodically putting them into the track. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jez-i9u2g1g look at a random piano cover, thats the guts of what is happening but the notes are replaced by different sounds/effects. I hope that is simple enough to understand.

Also some advice: Dont make claims about things you dont have the scope of knowledge to claim. The odds are you will never ever be the first nor the best at something, aim to work out what you want to say and how to say it cos you *can* be the best at expressing yourself that *you* can be.

Thanks for the advice and for the link. Your explanation was very clear. But your comment "then rhythmically and melodically" is the part I was hoping to get more detailed information on. Again, it doesn't have to be Skrillex. It could be Knife Party/Pendulum, Madeon, (sorry, I'm not hip on all the producers who use this strategy and I don't think Benga/Skream do this) but I've heard this production style in several mixes that I thought it was a fairly well known standard production style.

General guidelines on piecing together these different tracks to work with each other rhythmically and melodically. As I type this, I realize my question might be sounding more simple than what I want. Yes, I know how writing a basic song works. What I'm confused about is songs where it seems like there are different beats in a bar that seem to come from completely different songs, almost a mashup, but they work together. It might be a wobbly bass, then a high pitched sample, then a vocal line, then suddenly something else. But they are all separate, never playing at the same time.

As for the claims part, not sure what you meant by that. I don't claim to be the best but I can confidently say I'm the first unless you can point out another DJ who has played guitar while DJ'ing and also did many guitar remixes of songs. Am I the best? I'll never be that egotistic and would hope that others would surpass me to influence me. But I know it's been a headache trying to get my setup together as no one else has ever done it. If you want to bring up the Crystal Method's CDJ bass guitar, that doesn't count as it was only for show and was mostly a CDJ and FX. I'm actually playing guitar parts like one would play in a band, but rhythmically and melodically with the songs I play.

Respect and peace everybody!

[Know_One]

is this you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWgtvxs1Frw

[ultraspatial]

he's obvs drumcorps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3SKOPVgI0E

[Samuel_L_Damnson]

So u just play guitar over songs?

[guitardj1]

Okay guys, so I stand corrected. I shall shut up and no longer make that claim BUT I personally think those guys didn't do anything original or special to the songs. Just merely jamming over songs doesn't inspire me so I'd like to think what I'm trying to do is adding additional touches to the songs I remix and play live. Similar to how a producer will add new elements to a remix, that's why I try to do. In addition, it's been a bitch trying to find the gear to beat sync effects to the BPM of the songs to make the guitar become one with the song, NOT just sounding like playing a million note solo over a prerecorded track where they sound very separate.

Anyways, again I shall no longer make that claim here but I did not mean to make this a thread about guitar djing, I want to up my production game so can anybody here add to what's already been said or do you want to just do searches on youtube to find djs who play guitar?

Thanks in advance

[Pentaguatti]

I keep my drops very sparse, generally only drums, bass and some fx, maybe a few vocal clips sprinkled in well avoiding as much overlap without things sounding choppy.

Other then that the big tip I can give you is side chaining to move sounds out of the way, allowing others to come through. This can help keep percussive or melodic elements shine through. I've actually built an audio rack in ableton where I have created three bands, filtered to different frequency groups, lo/mid/hi then side-chain compressed these with the corresponding frequencies of the drum track so when a kick hits, it pushes the sub bass down, the snare hits push back the mids or mid/lo's and so on.

This also allows me to do things like distort the mids on the bass well leaving the sub untouched, or expanding the stereo image of the top of the bass well keeping the lows and mids in a nice tight mono single.

Also using effects that affect the dynamics of the audio can help glue things together, so distortions and saturation effects can also be used much in the same way as compression, when used sparingly of course.

[guitardj1]

I keep my drops very sparse, generally only drums, bass and some fx, maybe a few vocal clips sprinkled in well avoiding as much overlap without things sounding choppy.

Other then that the big tip I can give you is side chaining to move sounds out of the way, allowing others to come through. This can help keep percussive or melodic elements shine through. I've actually built an audio rack in ableton where I have created three bands, filtered to different frequency groups, lo/mid/hi then side-chain compressed these with the corresponding frequencies of the drum track so when a kick hits, it pushes the sub bass down, the snare hits push back the mids or mid/lo's and so on.

This also allows me to do things like distort the mids on the bass well leaving the sub untouched, or expanding the stereo image of the top of the bass well keeping the lows and mids in a nice tight mono single.

Also using effects that affect the dynamics of the audio can help glue things together, so distortions and saturation effects can also be used much in the same way as compression, when used sparingly of course.

Wow man, thanks so much. Solid advice. I shall give that a go. Much appreciated, thanks again