vocals: sampled or recorded?

[cracktactics]

Are most vocals in dubstep and other similar genres sampled or recorded especially?

I dont mean like whole songs with lyrics, i mean like little oohs and ahs or phrases, the most obvious producer who i can think of who uses these is burial. Anyone use this, or know how to get these kinda samples?

[tempest]

Find some accapellas, cut out small one shots for ya "uH!"

or get some female vox and drown em in reverb and delay kinda shizzle to get the more burial style

[future producer]

Burial has sampled from other tracks, not sure about every tune but I know Ghost Hardware features bits from Telepopmusik - Breathe (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDQw-RShRUQ - start of the vocals)

On another track there is a snippet which sounds like it's from an old UK Garage tune but I cannot put my finger on it.

There is also some stuff which sounds like it might of been from a Hans Zimmer track. Prayer sounds like blatant sampling of Massive Attack - Teardrop.

Most producer sample first and sort out any shit later if it gets released and labels start asking questions.

Hook yourself up with some decent quality sample CDs though from Time & Space. http://www.timespace.com/

[MARCHMELLOW]

i was a bit confused when 'the legacy' by Cotti was released without the vocal sample from 'yellowman' ( i think )

your right though, i just sample away, worry about legalities later. the legacy is still selling out everywhere without the vocal sample.

[John Locke]

your right though, i just sample away, worry about legalities later. the legacy is still selling out everywhere without the vocal sample.

yeah, that was my attitude b4 i had stuff released...and now i regret it a bit cos i got old stuff that peope r 2 scared 2 put out and cant afford to clear the samples.

i guess i could go back and rework the tracks, recreate or get someone 2 sing the samples, but once shits been mixed and mastered i kind of feel like its a closed casket.. and aint i really into necrophilia.

anyway, a lot of the time part of the charm was that they ARE samples

i'd say DO use samples, but disguise them fuckin well. and think about this shit from day one, rather than goin "i'll worry about that if i ever get released".

it aint that difficult to disguise shit if u do it from the outset, and its a shame to have to go back an rework stuf once the whole track is finished. i dunno bout anyone else, but i lose enthusiasm after about a week and just want to move onto the next thing

[pdomino]

Not sure why Gaston was confused, I too got the inst off Cottis myspace.

Like most producers, take some accapella, chop / re-arrange to your fancy, plug-ins / effects ... away you go.

[FSTZ]

I say both

I have found some female vocalists with talent (preferred) and I also sample

[MARCHMELLOW]

[quote="pdomino"]Not sure why Gaston was confused, I too got the inst off Cottis myspace.

everywhere i've heard it, it has had the vocal running through it " watch out watch out here come 5 0..." or something like that

- thats from a tune by yellow man... so i'm guessing when it came to release it, they couldn't clear it...

another question. sooo if you did re record a vocal with a session singer of an already released track, do you not have to clear it at all?...

[auan]

another question. sooo if you did re record a vocal with a session singer of an already released track, do you not have to clear it at all?...[/b]

this got an answer in another thread.

Basically you'd be liable for royalties to the songwriter, but not the record label. But in some cases (mainly manufactured artists, Britney etc) the songwriter IS the record label and they'll buttfuck you.

That's the theory at least.

[two oh one]

Real vocalists. I have access to and use a bunch. And some talented voice actors.



I'm fed up with hearing the same sodding time+space samples in people's music.

[somejerk]

if you have access to a mic/booth and a real vocalist, go for it. do whatever you have to do to accomplish your piece, even if you've gotta make the vocals yourself.

[FSTZ]

another question. sooo if you did re record a vocal with a session singer of an already released track, do you not have to clear it at all?...

last I checked, it costs $1 to cover a tune that will be recorded from ascap, sesac and bmi artists

[future producer]

Real vocalists. I have access to and use a bunch. And some talented voice actors.



I'm fed up with hearing the same sodding time+space samples in people's music.

Depends which ones. If your gonna spend 30 quid on a sample CD then your probably gonna hear them but if you go up market and spend like £100-200 you ain't gonna hear them to often. I only really buy choir and string packs, then their processed heavily so you probably won't notice them.

Back to sampling...

There is a saying in the music industry which is "Where there's a hit, there's a writ". Which basically means if you sample someone else's work and it becomes a hit your gonna have labels breathing down your neck for royalties. A classic case of this is the Verve's "Bitter Sweet Symphony" which had sampled a Violin backing from a Rolling Stones tune.

If your an underground artist I really don't think you need to worry as much, especially in a scene like Dubstep. You don't have to worry either if your pressing some limited run white labels to give to your mates, play around the clubs or maybe even knocking them out for a few quid a pop via a record shop. I dunno if they still do but I remember HMV selling white label bootlegs on vinyl, used to buy the DnB ones, a lot of which were pretty shit.

If you do go down the pressing route, I'll say this. Make sure you make a B-side with a tune or two you have written yourself which contains 100% your own stuff because if you do get a pissed of label wanting money for those lush string samples you used then you can at least offset some of the royalties with the tracks from the B-side.

When sampling and the law comes up I just go and watch this, it makes me feel better - http://youtube.com/watch?v=6mBfkFNpknI

And if your looking looking for singers then checkout MySpaz there are a fuck load of good vocalists that'll do you vocals for free.

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