Hip Hop in the UK

pdomino · Post by **pdomino** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 2:00 pm

Who likes who ?

... and I dont mean Sway etc

mae · Post by **mae** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:19 pm

why not sway?

but i listen to bare lowkey, skinnyman, l dot man, phoenix quarter, taskforce, doc brown, old malarchi, genesis elijah

legend4ry · Post by **legend4ry** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 6:12 pm

Skrein, Foreign Beggars, Skinnyman, Jehst, Klaskhnekoff.

blizzardmusic · Post by **blizzardmusic** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 9:17 pm

Wretch 32 FTW

savage · Post by **savage** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:56 pm

<3 Jehst

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:29 pm

dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread

bob crunkhouse · Post by **bob crunkhouse** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:44 pm

Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread

Totally agree.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:13 pm

Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread

because you can relate it to your own experiences a bit more closely.

deion · Post by **deion** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:25 am

all about braintax and chester p!!

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:47 am

Jubscarz wrote:
Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread
because you can relate it to your own experiences a bit more closely.

not a bad response

but still doesnt convince me im missing anything

but thats just me

moujah · Post by **moujah** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:45 am

Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread

i don't live in the UK so maybe that's why my opinion is totally different from yours, but I don't see the point of dismissing 90bpm hip-hop made in the UK just because there is grime now. I mean each is a different genre but both can just co-exist and even cross over each other. at the same time I believe some people might stick to hip-hop and keep making it and some will be grime heads only. I like both but I really don't get most of contemporary US hip-hop so I was always happy for some good new UK hip-hop to listen to. but maybe you are right and grime's been slowly but surely replacing uk hip-hop... I haven't really heard anything new in the uk hip-hop style since Plan B's album last year.

ozeb · Post by **ozeb** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:53 am

slick rick

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:40 pm

moujah wrote:
Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread
i don't live in the UK so maybe that's why my opinion is totally different from yours, but I don't see the point of dismissing 90bpm hip-hop made in the UK just because there is grime now. I mean each is a different genre but both can just co-exist and even cross over each other. at the same time I believe some people might stick to hip-hop and keep making it and some will be grime heads only. I like both but I really don't get most of contemporary US hip-hop so I was always happy for some good new UK hip-hop to listen to. but maybe you are right and grime's been slowly but surely replacing uk hip-hop... I haven't really heard anything new in the uk hip-hop style since Plan B's album last year.

hmmm, could b, but as i dont live in the uk anymore either i'm not convinced

thinking about it a bit more now tho i realise my point is that grime IS uk hip hop. or at least uk hip hop done properly, by people who r inventive and forward thinking, wanting to add something of their own, rather than just into copying and reviving the classics from the past

obviously this is a massive generalisation, and theres bound 2b exceptions, and i aint saying there isnt formulaic grime either, but i think its like if sum1 decides 2b a musician today and so they get 2gether a band playing guitar bass and drums , u know they aint really starting out right, u understand immediately they arent into pushing any boundaries or moving shit forward, just into reviving the past. its a dead format, technology has evolved. yeah, u can still use those instruments, but u need to be considering the advancements that have taken place if u r gonna produce anything fresh, not only looking backwards to the golden era of whatever genre u r working in.

im talking really generally here. so theres no doubt gonna b people who'll dig up plenty exceptions to this. i accept that. but basically i just dont really c y anyone would set out to just make standard hip hop today in the uk when something else with the beats and rhymes format , that we can call our own , has already been invented

i dont pay any attention to uk hip hop anymore, so i dunno if people like task force r still around, or if rodney p EVER released that long long long long awaited LP, but in a way i kind of feel sorry for them. that generation made serious advncements in getting MCing away from a US style/accent, and then just when things were starting to happen for them along came grime and they were suddenly on the rubbish heap of history, an older, outdated generation pushing a rusty bicycle uphill as grime sped past them on the newly invented automobile contraption

but i guess some of u still check this stuf otherwise there wouldnt b this thread

moujah · Post by **moujah** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:10 pm

yeah, I get your point now, the whole UK hip-hop generation really seems overshadowed by grime these days. maybe you're right and it will be natural for most young British mcs to just get on the grime train and not look back to the uk hip-hop era. just wonder how all the oldskool people like Roots Manuva, Rodney P, Foreign Beggars, etc. will react to the progress of UK MCing and sound.

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:57 pm

Fuck ignoring Uk Hip Hop. It might not be as active as Grime but thats straight fucking foolishness saying forget about it.

I havent heard too much im into, but I still check it every chance i get.

children of the damned's album is pretty sick. Braintax's last is always in the just played pile at mine aswell.

Innovation is all good, but its not allways about being different. For 20 years now, 90 bpm boom bap sounding hip hop has been made, and it can still be done well.

John Locke · Post by **John Locke** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:59 pm

BlizzardMusic wrote:Wretch 32 FTW

yo, what happened to wretch? that guy was one of the best UK MCs i'd heard, and then he went all like 'lovers'grime' or something. complete shit.

like some manager came along and said, "yo, take your shirt off, flex your muscles with yr pants showing, stick a nice fur coat over and we gonna make u some cash".

the guy even had his own style going b4, like Kool Keith circa '89. badman.

all gone so horribly wrong...

pdomino · Post by **pdomino** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:07 pm

moujah wrote:
Battle Gong wrote:dont c the point of uk hip hop since grime came about. it was worth supporting in the 90s cos without it grime would probably never have happened.

but y bother now?

if u want hip hop listen to the US original, or if u want british mcing then grime

tho i doubt this'll go down all that well in a uk hip hop thread
i don't live in the UK so maybe that's why my opinion is totally different from yours, but I don't see the point of dismissing 90bpm hip-hop made in the UK just because there is grime now. I mean each is a different genre but both can just co-exist and even cross over each other. at the same time I believe some people might stick to hip-hop and keep making it and some will be grime heads only. I like both but I really don't get most of contemporary US hip-hop so I was always happy for some good new UK hip-hop to listen to. but maybe you are right and grime's been slowly but surely replacing uk hip-hop... I haven't really heard anything new in the uk hip-hop style since Plan B's album last year.

The top comment is why I mentioned Sway, every credit to grime mc's or whatever they class their music as but HH in the u.k didnt come about because of Sway Kano Dizzee.

I disagree ones taking over the other *grime /ukhh*, HH in U.K is sort of like Dubsteps bigger brother in my eyes in terms of its morals ... or code of ethics.

If you can relate to 50cent then thats 'yo thing'

BaronVon · Post by **BaronVon** » Wed Jan 02, 2008 3:00 pm

I used to be really into UK Hip Hop but since ive stopped smoking Skunk it just annoys the hell out of me. Ive got all the Task Force stuff but i can't stand the whining "cod politics" anymore. The whole get on stage and bash Bush/Brown anti capitalist stuff just seems so silly when they all wear Nike.
You know non of them really care about what they preach, they just do it to sound cool to students.

I don't know maybe im being cynical or im getting old but it all seems a bit immature.
If anyone can point me towards any UK Hip Hop with real talent and less politics id be happy.

I really hope Scorzayzee makes a comeback. One of the only MC's that seemed to have any conviction in his preaching. Plus he had some serious skills, seen him rip so many people apart in Notts. Out Da Ville where the best crew ever.
Broke 'n' English are good keep meaning to buy the album.

Forensics · Post by **Forensics** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:02 pm

Best UKHH record I've heard lately is Chester P - From the Ashes....

Other recent-ish albums Ive really liked: Kyza - The Experience
Braintax - Panorama, Task Force - MFTC4 (can't wait for no.5!!)

Used to play out UKHH, here's an old mix in case anyone's interested:

TOP SECRET – UK HIP HOP MIX #13

1 Braintax – First Joint
2 Rawdog & Task Force – Spies in the Coffin
3 Jehst & Asaviour – Get your Shit Together
4 Doc Brown & Lowkey – Donnie’s Lament
5 Jehst – High Plains Anthem
6 Lewis Parker – Eyes of Dreams
7 Lewis Parker & A Cyde – At Large
8 Foreign Beggars – Beatflow Freakshow
9 Kyza – Harsh Reality
10 Mud Family – In da Park
11 Foreign Beggars & Lena – Frosted Perspeks
12 Secondson & Task Force – This is Greasy Listening
13 Rawdog & Chester P – The Snake Charmer
14 Arms Length – Metropolitics
15 Million Dan – Dogz N Sledgez

http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... _MIX13.mp3

And here are links for a few others....

http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... _Mix17.mp3
http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... pMix18.mp3
http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... _Mix14.MP3
http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... opMix8.mp3
http://smokeringdownloads.com/storage/m ... opMix6.mp3

menacetosobriety · Post by **menacetosobriety** » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:43 pm

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I really hope Scorzayzee makes a comeback. One of the only MC's that seemed to have any conviction in his preaching. Plus he had some serious skills, seen him rip so many people apart in Notts. Out Da Ville where the best crew ever.

Granted that Scorz has got skills and Karizma to an extent
but I reallydo beg to differ that Out Da Ville were the best crew ever

Lee Ramsey and Tempa ('ya get me') were only ever mediocre at best

and what was with 'em all rapping in US accents when they first came out?

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