who is not dubstep ?

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:29 pm

a rollcall of sorts. Been reading this over at blackdown's blog

http://www.blackdownsoundboy.blogspot.com

"...too many DNB heads, too many IDM heads. ...The important thing i think is to remain quite strict with what is and isnt part of this scene."- alex bkbk

yeah but whenever anyone expresses these kind of sentiments publically all the toys fly out of the pram. it's laughable what people tag as dubstep these days... - blackdown

Despite DubMug looking to start some bullshit he did make a point I would like to hear further opinions on. What's some laughable examples tagged as dubstep, who decides what is not dubstep ?

the dubpolice maybe. Ya ave a licence for approved dubstep only

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:33 pm

whats the deal with ur name?

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:40 pm

there have been numerous threads on this already. as much as i'd like to advocate discussing this topic again for all the newer members, i think it's worth mentioning that the outcome is bound to be a soap opera. try doing a search first.
we need more open minded music lovers and less microscopic analysis of the music.

marsyas · Post by **marsyas** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:46 pm

seckle wrote: we need more open minded music lovers and less microscopic analysis of the music.

BOOM

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:48 pm

pollywog - the immature free-living form of most invertebrates and amphibians and fish which at hatching from the egg is fundamentally unlike its parent and must metamorphose

we're just starting out in this game so in the process of metamorphosing into something not like our parent's music. Maybe one day we'll become frogs and get kissed by princesses then live happily ever after.

sorry seckle, I don't really know what to search for? If this does go the way of oprah though just delete it. Was just curious about those comments.

Jubz · Post by **Jubz** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:50 pm

Marsyas wrote:
seckle wrote: we need more open minded music lovers and less microscopic analysis of the music.
BOOM

YES.

intoccabile · Post by **intoccabile** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:53 pm

Taken from an interview with Vex'd, posted on grimemusic.com :

" For that reason, the more purist dubstep and grime people, they might have some difficulty in accepting it fully. I think increasingly, some people feel dubstep has a dictionary definition. There's a growing concensus that dubstep is, or should be, a noise-free, minimal, contemplative zone. Which is cool, I love that sound. But this record has moments of straight cacophony, of noise and aggression, yet people keep calling it dubstep. "

" I wouldn't be arrogant enough to assert that there is a right direction or a wrong direction for the music. All i can say is personally, i would love to see dubstep be more inclusive. Grime is expansive enough to include anything, heavy metal guitars, 80s pop samples, techno stabs, half speed or uptempo, sentimental RnB vocals, shouting, rage, anything. But with dubstep, if it isnt halfstep, isnt minimal, and doesnt have blatant dub referenes, then some say its not true dubstep. How restrictive is that ? "

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:56 pm

here's a bit of the drama festival from 2005. if my memory is right, one of the threads on this topic got trashed. it's still on the forumspace site from last year. anyway here's two threads that are similar...
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=792&start=0
http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1101&highlight=

gutter · Post by **gutter** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:58 pm

seckle wrote: we need more open minded music lovers and less microscopic analysis of the music.

that's the ticket. purism is inherently fascist. blend the strengths. mutate. metamorphasise. don't think about it too much. if the beats are moving you, then just go with the flow. for me dubstep was always about revitalising 'Dance Muzik' in its broadest sense. its a creative stepping-off point for lots of interesting avenues of exploration.

mrjiggyfly · Post by **mrjiggyfly** » Mon May 08, 2006 10:59 pm

seckle wrote:there have been numerous threads on this already. as much as i'd like to advocate discussing this topic again for all the newer members, i think it's worth mentioning that the outcome is bound to be a soap opera. try doing a search first.
we need more open minded music lovers and less microscopic analysis of the music.

kion · Post by **kion** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:05 pm

I've mentioned this in another thread in one way or another, but I feel that this musical force isn't restricted by a musical definition as such; but instead it's a vibe that's pushed out, absorbed and reflected back by people to create something that's mutually invigorating for the music and the people.

If it was defined by restrictions on the sound, how could it possibly develop or be as varied as it is?

However, if you see it as a 'vibe', it still places certain controls, but these aren't so restricting as a palette of particular sounds would be. It also means there is more room for experimentation if people are receptive to it.

j_j · Post by **j_j** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:15 pm

ur name sucks ..

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:15 pm

less openminded music producers is what the initial comments seem too imply and stricter guidelines on what is dubstep. I'd go the opposite and say more openminded producers and no guidelines on what dubstep is. Are we seeing the start of fractionalised sub-genres? vex'd are the classsic example of dubstep or not?

didn't know about the other threads. Some good points and horrible grandstanding in there.

The jumping off point for musical experimentation sounds good. I'm thinking not so much revitalized dance music though and so not suited to a big rave. Liking the idea of soundscapes and journeys, stoner mood music

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:18 pm

J_J wrote:ur name sucks ..

Edit: I agree

geoff · Post by **geoff** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:19 pm

I have to agree with Blackdown and Alex bkbk.

And yes polly, your name sucks mate!

geoff · Post by **geoff** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:21 pm

Pollywog = dubmugga shit stirring I suspect!

deapoh · Post by **deapoh** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:22 pm

geoff wrote:I have to agree with Blackdown and Alex bkbk.

And yes polly, your name sucks mate!

whitebait · Post by **whitebait** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:27 pm

I do know dubmugga and he does take some getting used to but trust he is not me and I'm not shit stirring. I'd like to keep this thread on track yet I'd also like to know what's wrong with the name pollywog?

struggle · Post by **struggle** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:27 pm

i liked how kode 9 put it in the bbc documentary.

"the thing that's consistent is the subbass. in an ideal world anything goes on top of that."

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon May 08, 2006 11:30 pm

geoff wrote:Pollywog = dubmugga shit stirring I suspect!

pollywog is not dubmugga. ip confirms it. carry on gents...

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