Sidechaining Drums

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:48 pm

i.e. making it so that a kick drum compresses in relation to a bassline so the low end isn't like vanessa feltz farting into a thimble

On Reason 2.5... how so?

serox · Post by **serox** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:51 pm

Corpsey wrote:i.e. making it so that a kick drum compresses in relation to a bassline so the low end isn't like vanessa feltz farting into a thimble

On Reason 2.5... how so?

What have you tried so far?

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:19 pm

http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=sidechaining+reason

manray · Post by **manray** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 2:43 pm

It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....

Take the output of the kick, whether its redrum or whatever and connect that to the sidechain input of the compressor.

Here is a vid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsBAcdALWv4

Just watch that. Simple.

serox · Post by **serox** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:45 pm

manray wrote:It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....

Exactly. Thats why I asked what they had actually tried to work out by them selfs. I have noticed people on this forum ask alot of questions that makes me think they have not even tried to work things out!

I hope my questions for assistance are not as basic...

auan · Post by **auan** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:10 pm

Serox wrote:
manray wrote:It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....
Exactly. Thats why I asked what they had actually tried to work out by them selfs. I have noticed people on this forum ask alot of questions that makes me think they have not even tried to work things out!

I hope my questions for assistance are not as basic...

That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).

serox · Post by **serox** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 4:15 pm

Auan wrote: That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).

Agreed. I am no superstar myself and am learning how to make music as I go along. I just get the feeling sometimes there are a few people on here who are making music to be cool or cos they want to be a superstar. They dont seem too interested in actually learning how to make music.

Never seen a forum with so many producers who all use the same plugins/samples.

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Mon Jan 28, 2008 8:37 pm

cheers to those who helped out

twatty vagitis · Post by **twatty vagitis** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:51 pm

while I agree a lot of people ask retarded questions on this forum, there's also a lot of feckless twats who reply to them, giving false information etc...like above.

He asked about reason 2.5 NOT 3.0

the mclass compressor was introduced in 3.0, and yes, sidechaining is NOW piss easy.

In 2.5 it is not piss easy, infact nuff ppl will tell you it's not even possible in 2.5, but with some clever routing of CVs it can be done.....Just

quote from another forum somewhere:

To obtain sidechaing in reason which can be used creatively to basically dynamicaly control any cv input on any such reason device, first create a Scream Distortion unit.
Then route your key input [kick for this example] to the Scream's audio input.
At this stage you can deactivate all the distortion,eq,etc. settings for this device since you are not using it for a distorting effect but purely as a dynamics controler, unless u really want a distorting kick for this example wink.gif

Now if you hit TAB and flip the reason rack around you will see a CV output on the back of The Scream labeled AUTO CV. This is basicaly an envelope follower, which means that this output represents the volume or envelope characteristics of any source that is routed to this device's input.

For the next step create a CV SPLITTER AND MERGER device.
Now route the AUTO CV on the Scream to SPLIT A or Split B, just as u wish.
At this stage you should have your key input connected to your Mixer either from splitting the source signal with an AUDIO SPLITTER AND MERGER and sending the original uneffected source signal to say mixer channel 1, or routing the outputs of the Scream to mixer channel 1[again u can bypass the Scream for this job at the top left corner of the device since you are just stealing the source signal's envelope setting].

Now logic dictates that you should have your bassline,derived from whichever source [Sampler or Synth], connected to mixer Channel 2.

Now flip the reason rack around again to expose the backpanel.
The back of the CV MERGER AND SPLITTER contains 4 split outputs either next to SPLIT INPUT A or B where you have connected the AUTO CV output.

Now u will see that on the back of your mixer there is CV Level inputs for all channels. Depending on which SPLIT INPUT you have connected the AUTO CV signal to, take that INV output and connect it to Mixer Channel 2's CV Level input.
What this actually means is that you have inverted the kick's envelope setting. Accordingly this inverted negative setting now acts as a volume slider that antenuates the bassline's or Mixer Channel 2's volume.

The amount with whitch the bassline is reduced in level is now controled with the
trimpot knob and/or the source signals envelope settings on the source device.

And thats it. but for one moment think of all the other possibilities, e.g. using velocity on the source signal to detune a sound [UN 16],more or less, the harder or softer you play.

ascend · Post by **ascend** » Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:32 pm

Auan wrote: That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).

kato! · Post by **kato!** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:12 pm

Yes this forum does seem to be a bit basic! But I guess the kids need help too! If you want forums that are more indepth on engineering issues try sound on sound. As for advice here, if anyone wants to know anything about logic, pro tools, cubase or reason, just get in touch with me, I have been an engineer for many years now, and have a wealth of tips and techniques!

twazzer · Post by **twazzer** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 8:44 pm

I think this question is fine considering some of the lazy shit that's being asked in this forum.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:16 pm

well...

I know that sometimes I like to post up the ham...

but when I was learning to make beats, I had no resources like this forum (in fact the internet was still in its DARPA stage)

so I like to help people if I can

and reading other peoples input has made me a better producer (if I can remember what I just read, that is)

keep asking dumb questions....

I'll keep posting the ham

djake · Post by **djake** » Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:24 pm

Auan wrote:
Serox wrote:
manray wrote:It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....
Exactly. Thats why I asked what they had actually tried to work out by them selfs. I have noticed people on this forum ask alot of questions that makes me think they have not even tried to work things out!

I hope my questions for assistance are not as basic...
That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).

i hope you dnt fink that of me

but is 17 nearly 18 still classed as a kid?

auan · Post by **auan** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:00 am

djake wrote:
Auan wrote:
Serox wrote:
manray wrote:It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....
Exactly. Thats why I asked what they had actually tried to work out by them selfs. I have noticed people on this forum ask alot of questions that makes me think they have not even tried to work things out!

I hope my questions for assistance are not as basic...
That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).
i hope you dnt fink that of me

but is 17 nearly 18 still classed as a kid?

Nah you're sound mate. Must have been on my period when I wrote that

I like this forum. It could use something like the Grid's Threads of Interest though. No disrespect to The Gospel According to Daft tnuc, I just mean something more organised, like the wobble thread, but for everything that gets asked every other day in here.

djake · Post by **djake** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 12:06 am

Auan wrote:
djake wrote:
Auan wrote:
Serox wrote:
manray wrote:It's so simple it's unbelievable. I'm remember some years back though so.....
Exactly. Thats why I asked what they had actually tried to work out by them selfs. I have noticed people on this forum ask alot of questions that makes me think they have not even tried to work things out!

I hope my questions for assistance are not as basic...
That's DSF, to be honest. I came here thinking it would be all these great minds, asking questions like "Hey guys, I just came up with this fucked up idea, any ideas on how I can go about recording it?"

Turns out it's mostly just kids wanting to be told how to make generic wobblers.

End of cynicism (for now).
i hope you dnt fink that of me

but is 17 nearly 18 still classed as a kid?
Nah you're sound mate. Must have been on my period when I wrote that

I like this forum. It could use something like the Grid's Threads of Interest though. No disrespect to The Gospel According to Daft tnuc, I just mean something more organised, like the wobble thread, but for everything that gets asked every other day in here.

its a gd idea....

just need someone with the nolige to decide what should go in there

corpsey · Post by **corpsey** » Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:55 am

twatty vagitis wrote:while I agree a lot of people ask retarded questions on this forum, there's also a lot of feckless twats who reply to them, giving false information etc...like above.

He asked about reason 2.5 NOT 3.0

the mclass compressor was introduced in 3.0, and yes, sidechaining is NOW piss easy.

In 2.5 it is not piss easy, infact nuff ppl will tell you it's not even possible in 2.5, but with some clever routing of CVs it can be done.....Just

Cheers man, I was quite surprised by the response on here at the time tbh but now it makes more sense

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