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Postby slothrop » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:55 pm

Shonky wrote:
Blackdown wrote:i think the subtext to this thread, that might have been getting lost in worldwide cultural translation, is that it's rude in the UK to ask someone how much they earn.


I think that's only the middle classes to be honest, and they always want to know the exact figure someone on benefits gets. Most builders I know are more than happy to say how much they get, whether you ask them or not (as long as you're not a taxman) :wink:

It wouldn't seem too out of place, though, to ask whether bank managers in general get paid more than bar staff or what's an average sort of wage for a teacher with a few years experience...
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Postby dubloke » Sun Apr 20, 2008 9:57 pm

This thread made me remind of something that a couple of people did in my school. One of my really good mates rented out Mass for about £750 with a friend of his, and asked two people in our school to play. When he told them he couldn't pay them they refused to play, and worst of all, told all their friends not to go. Their friends, like sheep, didn't go meaning that my mate didnt reach the drinks quota, which led to more money being spent. My friend forgave them but I still cant get over it, and its been about a year.

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horse wrote:i dj cuz i love doing it
end of.

ive never been paid for it and never asked for money for doing it either


I agree with this

Edit2: obviosly I agree with that^^^ because I dont rely on it for my income or put anywhere near as much time or effort in as other DJs who do get paid :lol:
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Postby epithet » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:44 pm

Blackdown wrote:i think the subtext to this thread, that might have been getting lost in worldwide cultural translation, is that it's rude in the UK to ask someone how much they earn.

ah hah. Cheers for that blackdown. I understand it's rude to ask a person how much they make but i was more trying to ask the employer how much they pay. That's fairly normal ?

epithet wrote:How the hell should i know ?

But i was wondering whats a gig at say, fabric or ministry of sound pay or FWD even or down the local on a dubstep gig ?

Here in NZ its about $200 a night or $50 an hour, a $50 bartab and 2 names on the door.


That figure is what you could resonably expect for a prominent local in support of an international at a medium size club here in NZ. So forgetting big name UK dj's and their superclub fees :roll: What can an equivalent type of DJ in the states or europe or japan or anywhere else expect ?
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Postby ytee » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:23 pm

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Postby dirtfunk » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm

epithet wrote:How the hell should i know ?

But i was wondering whats a gig at say, fabric or ministry of sound pay or FWD even or down the local on a dubstep gig ?

Here in NZ its about $200 a night or $50 an hour, a $50 bartab and 2 names on the door.


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Postby epithet » Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:34 pm

^^you only wish huh ?
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Postby thief » Mon Apr 21, 2008 12:57 am

The last worm is always the hardest to get back in the can.

I think it must be a bit of a cultural thing, because generally people in NZ wouldn't really get that upset/offended if you asked about earnings. Granted it's not necessarily a great conversation starter, but people will either talk about or just politely decline to. I have a hard time understanding some of the responses in this thread.

Seems like it is a more serious social faux pas in some parts of the world?
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Postby MissBrass » Mon Apr 21, 2008 1:08 am

thief wrote:The last worm is always the hardest to get back in the can.

I think it must be a bit of a cultural thing, because generally people in NZ wouldn't really get that upset/offended if you asked about earnings. Granted it's not necessarily a great conversation starter, but people will either talk about or just politely decline to. I have a hard time understanding some of the responses in this thread.

Seems like it is a more serious social faux pas in some parts of the world?



in america, although I believe its rude to ask, and most do too...seems like quite a few people like to rub it in, and talk about how much money they have. Well, americans are trashy people anyways :P
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Postby unlikely » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:43 pm

beyond the whole rude-or-not thing, no self respecting promoter would reveal their figures (esp on a forum) as it puts artists in a difficult position
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Postby unlikely » Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:56 pm

oh look, a hundred other people have said that already


coming into a discussion on page 10 never really amounts to much does it :?
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Postby bribkin » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:49 pm

Shonky wrote:
Blackdown wrote:i think the subtext to this thread, that might have been getting lost in worldwide cultural translation, is that it's rude in the UK to ask someone how much they earn.


I think that's only the middle classes to be honest, and they always want to know the exact figure someone on benefits gets. Most builders I know are more than happy to say how much they get, whether you ask them or not (as long as you're not a taxman) :wink:


nah i'm middle class and i'll happily talk about how much money i earn to individual people, though i wouldn't feel comfortable posting it on here. that's not why i said it's rude.

i think it was rude to put up a thread on dubstepforum asking which dubstep dj got paid the most. it brings unpleasantly competitive vibes and it asks people to reveal things that would most likely make people start bitching about one another. that's different.

and i can't imagine that the people you are talking about would like you to post up here how much money they earn either.

anyway the author of this thread is clearly a bit of an attention seeker to say the least.
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Postby slothrop » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:58 pm

bribkin wrote:i think it was rude to put up a thread on dubstepforum asking which dubstep dj got paid the most.

Out of interest, did you read the first post or just the title?

Edit: don't mean to sound arsey, it's just that a lot of people in this thread seem to be flaming the shit out of what they think the OP is asking about without actually reading the first few posts...
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Postby spooKs » Mon Apr 21, 2008 9:58 pm

bribkin wrote:anyway the author of this thread is clearly a bit of an attention seeker to say the least.


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Postby jukata » Mon Apr 21, 2008 10:14 pm

paid? not in the States, unless you are some real big name.

might get a few drink tickets and a friend in the door with you.

Dubstep is still real low-key in the D.C. area. We all know each other and do what we can to push the sound. Usually for free and often on weeknights at divebars. It's getting better though.
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Postby ill gates » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:09 am

i get paid enough to not have to work. that's all that counts really...
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Postby seckle » Tue Apr 22, 2008 12:52 am

Slothrop wrote:
bribkin wrote:i think it was rude to put up a thread on dubstepforum asking which dubstep dj got paid the most.

Out of interest, did you read the first post or just the title?

Edit: don't mean to sound arsey, it's just that a lot of people in this thread seem to be flaming the shit out of what they think the OP is asking about without actually reading the first few posts...


i think everyone understood the aim of this thread. it's not ambiguous. talking about dj money on the internet isn't going to make you a rich man anyway, so we're back to square one on this, 10 pages later.
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Postby slothrop » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:05 am

seckle wrote:i think everyone understood the aim of this thread.

Even the people flaming the OP for asking who gets paid the most in a thread where the first post says that that's not what the thread is about?

Christ this is like picking at an open wound. If someone had just said yeah it's probably a few hundred to a thousand squid for a really big name, a lot less for everyone else then we could all have shut up, no ill feelings gone back to moaning about wobbles or something.
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Postby epithet » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:06 am

bribkin wrote:[
anyway the author of this thread is clearly a bit of an attention seeker to say the least.


Its just coming from down under i don't know which way is up. See...

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Postby phobic » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:28 am

how much money do you get paid Epithet?!

I don't know how things work in New Zealand or other parts of the world, but I am from the UK, no I wouldn't consider myself to be middle class or from a middle class background and I know what is common curtousy (but I cant spell it!)....and it's not asking people how much they make...OR, how much money they charge or pay to other people....that kind of information can get you either in trouble...or get u a blackeye for braggin! I am currently working in Japan and I can tell u that that question is also faux pas here too!

DJ's are hardworking people just like your local builder, a movie star or politician....however, we may not all agree on all of their wages, therefore mentioning figures on a forum is a little ridiculous...if someone did mention their wages it would no doubt start a chain of hating...are they worth that etc and DJ's trying to justify their worth.

I understand your curiousity...I too am curious as to what the pay would be like in Fabric/FWD,Ministry, etc....but it's one of those questions that should stay in your head. To be honest, unless u have mad skills, and know the right people I dont think you are gonna be playing in any of those clubs anytime soon!!!

On a lighter note, I saw a busker in Tokyo on Sunday...he told the crowd that for the past 2 years he has been traveling around the world living off his busking (jambe and digareedoo playing) and selling his live CD....if he can, they why cant u Epithet?
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Postby epithet » Tue Apr 22, 2008 1:44 am

PhoBic wrote:I understand your curiousity...I too am curious as to what the pay would be like in Fabric/FWD,Ministry, etc....but it's one of those questions that should stay in your head. ?


Why ? just cos you think so ? Pffft... fuck off mate. It's a harmless question no one has to answer.

Maybe in your culture it would get you black eye for bragging or start a chain of hate but in mine it aint no big thing and certainly not worth resorting to violence over.

FWIW I'm not a DJ have no intention of ever being one and busking just ain't my style. I make enough doing what i do to get by. I have a standard base rate of which i try not to deviate too much from. I freelance contract my services and cut deals accordingly depending who the client is and what budget they have. I really don't give a fuck what others are getting paid but it helps to know so I dont price myself out of the market. I have no problem in asking a client from the outset what their budget is so I don't see why a club would have the same problem giving out theirs.

Agreed asking some one direct what they get paid is rude. So im not going to say.
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