Twelve-Tone technique

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu May 08, 2008 1:43 am

been reading a lot about Schoenberg lately... Anyone ever tried to make an atonal dance track? imma be exploring this further

heimlich · Post by **heimlich** » Thu May 08, 2008 5:18 am

Check out Anton Webern as well.

cixxxj · Post by **cixxxj** » Thu May 08, 2008 3:22 pm

you would like to check Schoenberg's writings and courses too, it will give you a great indepth into musical "theory". Check out also books by Luciano Berio, everyone is worth buying!

r · Post by r » Thu May 08, 2008 4:50 pm

i dont like to challenge myself with this kinda theory things.

Music has to flow... like a pretty ass dubstep double time beat.

misk · Post by **misk** » Thu May 08, 2008 7:08 pm

yeah challenging yourself sucks. out to the comfortable crew.

miss_molinari · Post by **miss_molinari** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:03 am

Misk wrote:yeah challenging yourself sucks. out to the comfortable crew.

werd

subindex · Post by **subindex** » Fri May 09, 2008 10:25 am

im confused misk tell me more about this 12 tone shezoo

your mum · Post by **your mum** » Fri May 09, 2008 1:56 pm

subindex wrote:im confused misk tell me more about this 12 tone shezoo

You start with a pattern consisting of each of the twelve notes only played once. Then you can start inverting it and shit.

slothrop · Post by **slothrop** » Fri May 09, 2008 4:31 pm

your mum wrote:
subindex wrote:im confused misk tell me more about this 12 tone shezoo
You start with a pattern consisting of each of the twelve notes only played once. Then you can start inverting it and shit.

Yeah, as I understand it the basic point is to a) produce music that strenuously avoids developing a tonal centre ie it avoids feeling like it's in any key so each note exists purely as a pitch rather than as something that has meaning based on its relation to the key signature (ie if you go from b flat to b natural it's just a semitone movement, it doesn't represent a resolution in B Major or something else in C minor) and b) give the music some sort of internal cohesion despite having rejected the traditional way of giving music cohesion ie tonality.

Like your mum says, you start off with a tone row, which consists of each ove the twelve notes in an octave played only once each (and aiui it's generally considered good form to avoid pockets of tonality so you don't start of CFGD or something), and then construct the piece out of manipulations of that tone row ie the tone row played backwards, upside down, stretched out, with the intervals expanded and so on.

Quite a lot of dance music is essentially atonal anyway, though - the repetition of short sections and the use of unpitched sounds kind of stops it becoming a really tonal thing anyway.

two oh one · Post by **two oh one** » Fri May 09, 2008 5:04 pm

Misk wrote:yeah challenging yourself sucks. out to the comfortable crew.

And people wonder why everything sounds the sodding same...

Atonal? I've heard plenty of stuff in the dubs section that appears to be so chromatic that it becomes atonal because my brain gives up trying to make sense of which key things are supposed to be in.

FSTZ · Post by **FSTZ** » Fri May 09, 2008 6:07 pm

I just play them black keys!

misk · Post by **misk** » Fri May 09, 2008 7:44 pm

two oh one wrote:
Misk wrote:yeah challenging yourself sucks. out to the comfortable crew.

And people wonder why everything sounds the sodding same...

Atonal? I've heard plenty of stuff in the dubs section that appears to be so chromatic that it becomes atonal because my brain gives up trying to make sense of which key things are supposed to be in.

you could say that their so chromatic... they're ... RAINBOW?

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