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clarkycatdealer
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by clarkycatdealer » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:15 pm
- "he should be more like ms dynamite"
-"some of his lyrics are deeply sexist and homophobic"
-"the BBC should not have gunshots on 1xtra"
-"david cameron is suggesting that any music with drug references should be banned" [!!!!]
"this sort of music is sending a message... celebrating violence"
madness.
lethal's manager repped quite well tho must be said. though that motormouth kept interuptting her.

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ramadanman
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by ramadanman » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:49 pm
As much as i may disagree with what cameron etc has said, i think that to the outsider of "youth culture", it's quite clear to see how a song with the lyrics
"Ill crack your skull/leave you fucked up in the wheel chair/ if you try and --- this evil brer"
is criticised.
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boomnoise
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by boomnoise » Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:55 pm
can't believ i missed this despite getting a warning text..
if anyone has video... please....please sort me out!!!
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shonky
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by shonky » Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:17 pm
I think Ms Dynamite's now been made out as the Will Smith of grime - Tory approved rap anybody?
(Shudder)
Think you can watch the Newsnight just gone until tomorrow night, if anyone's interested in sampling the tory geezer spitting lyrics. Think there was a throwdown for Cameron to go head to head with Bizzle, so that might be worth a look.
Think when NWA were doing gangsta on the first album, there was a heavy dose of authority baiting going on, and it was a lot funnier than a lot of stuff that followed in it's wake (although it depends on what you find funny/how easily offended you are. Think it probably pissed off a lot more folks than punk, but then as Ice Cube said "Do I look like a muthafuckin role model?"
The biggest demographic for hip hop now is probably middle class white kids, who as far as I'm aware probably aren't the most likely to be stabbing or shooting each other. Honestly believe that most people just take the lyrics with a pinch of salt, and folks that are violent are far more likely to be that way because of their families or enviroments than who they're listening to (although there's always a few dickheads that start trying to live the life, until they meet someone that does and shit emselves).
See it at my work all the time, violent, wife-beating, alcoholic dad begats violent, wife-beating, alcoholic kids (or introverted, self-harming kids) unfortunately. It'd be far better to have more help for those families (treatment programmes, counselling, etc) than to blame hip hop/tv/drugs/whatever for all of society's ills.
Hmm....

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by spaceboy » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:22 am
there was this wicked programme on bbc3 the other night called the hiphop years or something basically going over the same issues....2live crew, ice t, nwa etc...
u can't beat good lyrics whatever they are
i rate cameron however...i think he's on the money...i dont believe he's blind to urban lifestyle...he lives in ladbroke grove/notting hill, he's sure to see what urban living is like, albeit from a distance...
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by elgato » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:31 am
Spaceboy wrote:i rate cameron however...i think he's on the money...i dont believe he's blind to urban lifestyle...he lives in ladbroke grove/notting hill, he's sure to see what urban living is like, albeit from a distance...
is this irony? i dont want beef, just clarification
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by spaceboy » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:32 am
LOL. No beef, no irony - just sayin my piece. perhaps i'll allow the politics on here...
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by andythetwig » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:36 am
cameron...on the money?
haha, that's fucking hilarious.
have you lived under a conservative government?
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by elgato » Tue Jun 13, 2006 9:41 am
i dont see a problem with a bit of friendly political discussion...
do you not think it possible that someone might live in an area rife with the ills of social iniquity, but retain his previously determined perspective on what the best manner of dealing with the problem is? I dont think Cameron doesnt care about the problems of sections of society, the issue is whether his ideas about how to deal with them have a good chance of success / failure. I dont think that the fact he watches the crackheads from the window of his 4x4 / merc / whatever will have any real bearing on the value of his political perspectives, unless he started from a position of absolute ignorance
Bringing it back to the original argument, clearly he doesnt just fancy a pop at westwood and lethal for the sake of it, its because he thinks that they have a causal role in the development of crime. Again, I dont see how his living in that area will have any bearing on the extent of his understanding of the manner in which criminal / antisocial behaviour develops
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by paulie » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:14 am
elgato wrote:the issue is whether his ideas about how to deal with them have a good chance of success / failure.
well all new labour's big ideas have fallen flat, so why not give him a try? I'd much rather have him than Brown.
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by shonky » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:19 am
Anyone that wants to see it should be able to catch it here
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/n ... efault.stm
Should be able to see it until 10.30 tonight, it's in the last 10 minutes or so of the show.
And I've got a long enough memory the tories being absolute tossers, but must say Labour seems to be putting them in the shade at the moment. Be nice to have a political party actually worth voting for rather than this "none of the above" business at the moment.
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Hmm....

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by 7 below » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:22 am
Paulie wrote:elgato wrote:the issue is whether his ideas about how to deal with them have a good chance of success / failure.
well all new labour's big ideas have fallen flat, so why not give him a try? I'd much rather have him than Brown.
it may be a mega cliche but: 'it doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always wins'
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by paulie » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:24 am
Whoever commits to lowering personal taxation will get my vote.
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by elgato » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:26 am
Because his ideas, despite their sheeps clothing, are largely thatcherite neo-liberal, and I would rather have pretty much anything than that. And especially on crime, the current Conservative policy is so backwards its untrue. Its as if the vast majority of the last hundred odd years of criminological thought never happened
And furthermore, even if he were a better option, it doesnt mean he's worthy of endorsement
And as to Labour's ideas falling flat, again with reference to this specific discussion, (a) its not easy to turn around the effects of 18 years of contradictory policy, and (b) if they have succeeded (which I dont think they really have, but for the sake of argument...) the effects won't be seen for some years yet. Thus to base a political argument on immediate, tangible effects in policy areas like this is, in my opinion, misguided
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by elgato » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:27 am
Paulie wrote:Whoever commits to lowering personal taxation will get my vote.
that, in my opinion, is disgusting
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by paulie » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:29 am
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Tories in the middle of a comprehensive policy review? So making assumptions about possible election manifestos seems a bit premature. Actually Cameron's stint on the home affairs select committee suggested he might be prepared to take a much more progressive line than previous governments from both sides. Obviously the problem would be the party however.
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by andythetwig » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:36 am
Paulie wrote:Whoever commits to lowering personal taxation will get my vote.
dude you just need to play the system! Aren't you running a record label?
My accountant gets my tax down to about 15% somehow!
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by hi-def » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:37 am
Spaceboy wrote:
i rate cameron however...i think he's on the money...i dont believe he's blind to urban lifestyle...
I think there is a limit to just how 'urban' you can get if you went to school at Eton.
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by elgato » Tue Jun 13, 2006 10:40 am
We'll see about reform, only time will tell i suppose, but i suspect it to be bollocks if this stunt is anything to go by...it certainly doesnt indicate the kind of progressive thinking i desire from a political leader. Everything about Cameron reeks of publicity
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