ReWuschel anyone? [Streaming Audio into Reason o.O]

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ReWuschel anyone? [Streaming Audio into Reason o.O]

Post by eastern electrics » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:33 pm

Just read something about putting "Live-Audio" from ASIO4ALL Outputs into Reason by using the Rebirth-Input-Machine.
The feature is called ReWuschel and is an optional part of the latest ASI4ALL-Package.
I had not time to try it until now. Anyone did?

Info: http://www.scribd.com/doc/672498/ASIO4A ... ion-Manual

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cheers, EE. 8)
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Post by futures_untold » Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:37 pm

fuckin AAAA!!! :)

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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:53 am

Bump

Anyone managed this yet??

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Post by DZA » Fri Feb 13, 2009 1:58 am

might to try this with the allmighty reason 4 :crowd go wild ARGHHHHH:
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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:16 am


BRRRRAP!
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I just did it!!!!! :mrgreen: :5: :mrgreen: :N: :mrgreen: :5:

Here's how I've done it:

1> Install ASIO4All driver from ---> http://www.asio4all.com/ (Ensure you install the ReWuschel subcomponent)(Selected by default I think)

2> Open Reason, go to 'Preferences'>Audio and select ASIO4All as your soundcard.

3> Insert the Rebirth Input Machine in to the Reason rack

4> With your rewire master already open (Reason), fire up another Rewire capable audio application. (I've used Reaper as it can act as a rewire slave amongst other things)

5> Ensure that your rewire slave application doesn't use the ASIO4All drivers. Only one application can use each ASIO driver at a time, and in this case, Reason is already using it... I simply selected my soundcards default ASIO driver, but you could feasably use DirectX Full Duplex or MME drivers. (ASIO are the best though)

6> Once your slave app is open, you should be able to hear audio from the slave app stream live into Reason. :D

7>You do not necessarily need a slave application to use ReWuschel. If you have a mic connected to your computer I/O, then using your soundcard settings interface, you should be able to direct it to the ASIO channel (I think haha)

Please note that not all soundcards are equal, and mine allows me to send audio between channels internally. Thus, on my soundcard, I've enabled a send from the WAVE input to the ASIO channel & vice versa.... I'm not sure whether this effects the functionality of ReWuschel when using a rewire slave application?)

Happy days people! :D
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Post by DZA » Fri Feb 13, 2009 2:19 am

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Post by prime|evil » Fri Feb 13, 2009 4:50 pm

If this is possible, then is it possible to load vocals in and fuck around with them in a synth? Or maybe using the nnxt and loading a vocal sample into that and playing with it via there? Always thought it would be cool to make some weird grinding noise with my voice and a mic, record it and then screw around with it.

Any ideas?



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Post by DZA » Fri Feb 13, 2009 5:17 pm

Prime|Evil wrote:If this is possible, then is it possible to load vocals in and fuck around with them in a synth?
you mean vocoding?
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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:01 pm

Let me be clear about the possibilities and drawbacks involved here.

Firstly, Reason doesn't record it's own audio, so this is a purely 'live' tool. In order to 'capture' what you've done, you'll either need to use an audio recording program (see below) or need to rig up some hardware device to record your soundcards output.

Next up, whether this is possible at all on your system depends on your soundcard and whether it can run more than one mode at the same time....

On the positive side, last night I did some straight up live vocoding using Reasons vocoder :)

I also had a VST synth in Reaper going through the Scream 4 distortion device :D

The cream of the crop though, was that I hooked up the vocoder cv outputs to the gate inputs of the redrum, then used my voice to trigger the sounds in the redrum. (It takes a bit of work to get it to trigger correctly though....)

I still need to do some more experimenting with this though. For instance, I tried to use Reaper to record the audio output of my soundcard whilst it was in slave mode running a vsti. While it did record everything, the audio was unusably mired by phase problems. This made it sound as if I'd strapped a reverb and bitcrusher across my audio output.

I did manage to get Audacity to record the audio output cleanly though :)

Has anyone else managed to get this working yet?

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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:16 pm

Prime|Evil wrote:If this is possible, then is it possible to load vocals in and fuck around with them in a synth? Or maybe using the nnxt and loading a vocal sample into that and playing with it via there? Always thought it would be cool to make some weird grinding noise with my voice and a mic, record it and then screw around with it.
I'm not sure if you get the point here? (You're welcome to prove otherwise of course :))

Basically, under normal circumstances, Reason doesn't allow any live audio input. While it does accept incoming midi when Rewired, this isn't as good as being able to 'send' audio to the effects devices in the program.

The current way of working with vocals in Reason is to import them into any of the samplers (NN-19, NN-XT, Redrum & Dr.Rex). There are several fatal limitations to this.

1> It means artists can't hear what the final version of their recordings will sound like as they have to record their audio before they can use Reasons effects.

2> Samples alwys play from the start (or end). This means that if your sample is 3 minutes long, and you want to hear the last 20 seconds of it, you have to trigger it and wait for the whole sample to play through.

They way audio works in most daws is that playback occurs from the position of the play marker/curser.

The way Reason handles recorded audio is flawed, and is one of the main reasons I've decided to focus on using Reaper instead of Reason 4. (DZA & Darkmatter ;))

If you can rig up ReWuschel correctly and get it working without any hitches, there is no need to use any of the samplers to playback recordings. One simply presses record on their audio recorder and performs their performance live. Any effects used on your live input are heard & recorded instantly :)

Going back to your first question, Reason also doesn't allow user created waveforms to be used in the available synths oscillators. There are synths out there that do this, these include Absynth, Surge, Chamellion, Alchemy & Vertigo, and also any additive synth capable of resynthesis.

It's a crime that Malstrom doesn't support user waveforms, because its mix of granular and wavetable synthesis is second to none! :D (Note to self, petition Propellerheads to provide this feature in an upcoming version of Reason)

Hope this all makes sense?

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What could be cool would be to use a voice sample as the vocoder carrier signal, then to modulate that withyour own voice. An example would be to use any of the choir patches that come with the NN-19 & NN-XT as the carrier, then make them sound like their 'singin' when you modulate the signal with your words :)
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Post by eastern electrics » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:18 pm

thanks [futures untold] for that step by step guide.
i´ll try this asap.
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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:57 pm

Eastern Electrics wrote:thanks [futures untold] for that step by step guide.
i´ll try this asap.
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I've updated the walthrough, hopefully being a bit more specific about the details. :)

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Post by k_k » Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:35 pm

that sounds complicated i think ill have to give it a go in the light of day :D

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Post by futures_untold » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:40 pm

K_K wrote:that sounds complicated i think ill have to give it a go in the light of day :D
If you have managed to rewire Reason/Live into a daw, this is no harder (or simpler) Image

I guess the hardest aspect of all this is that Rewuschel is essentially a Reason hack, so getting it setup is more trail & error than simply following a guide or tutorial.

Worth taking half an hour to tinker with if your interested in the idea! :) (I'm glad I did)

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Post by prime|evil » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:34 pm

Sick. That clears a lot up. Hmm, If I wanna make my own basslines and leads with my own voice then I suppose I better learn to rewire my shit.

See what threw me is that I saw in the nn-xt sampler, you could load any wav form for any note. So i was thinking about recording loads of different pitched samples of my voice and then screwing around with it by playing with the waveforms and filters and waveform patterns in that bit at the bottom left. Is that possible? Or have I just asked the same question twice Futures?!?!
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Post by futures_untold » Sat Feb 14, 2009 1:45 pm

Prime|Evil wrote:Sick. That clears a lot up. Hmm, If I wanna make my own basslines and leads with my own voice then I suppose I better learn to rewire my shit.
Only if you want to do it live, otherwise, record your voice and import your wavs into the nn-xt as you said :)

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Post by mistiq » Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:50 pm

this is a Windows only driver!!! goddamn! :evil:

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Post by vertex » Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:18 pm

Cheers, I use ASIO4ALL, it's a bloody brilliant bit of software...

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Re: ReWuschel anyone? [Streaming Audio into Reason o.O]

Post by demzone » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:00 pm

futures_untold wrote:2> Samples alwys play from the start (or end). This means that if your sample is 3 minutes long, and you want to hear the last 20 seconds of it, you have to trigger it and wait for the whole sample to play through.

Maybe i am reading this wrong, but i am pretty sure you could use the start-stop dials on the nnxt to trigger different parts of longer samples like you are saying. I have a 26 second sample cut up into phrases and placed on seperate keys, leaving out the breaths and pauses in between. That way i can drop certain words or phrases on beat even though the sample was not recorded in 4/4 time.

Really want to try this trick though, Got asio4all so my roommate could have asio on her laptop but saw the reWuschel on install and started wondering... still a bit over my head. Gonna have to try it out!

Edit: Aye! sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead for no good reason lol... just realized how old it was...
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Re: ReWuschel anyone? [Streaming Audio into Reason o.O]

Post by futures_untold » Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:19 pm

demzone wrote:
futures_untold wrote:2> Samples alwys play from the start (or end). This means that if your sample is 3 minutes long, and you want to hear the last 20 seconds of it, you have to trigger it and wait for the whole sample to play through.

Maybe i am reading this wrong, but i am pretty sure you could use the start-stop dials on the nnxt to trigger different parts of longer samples like you are saying. I have a 26 second sample cut up into phrases and placed on seperate keys, leaving out the breaths and pauses in between. That way i can drop certain words or phrases on beat even though the sample was not recorded in 4/4 time.

Really want to try this trick though, Got asio4all so my roommate could have asio on her laptop but saw the reWuschel on install and started wondering... still a bit over my head. Gonna have to try it out!

Edit: Aye! sorry for bringing this thread back from the dead for no good reason lol... just realized how old it was...
In the method I've mentioned, one would need to set the start length of each sample zone using the start stop controls as you mention. ;)

Old thread bumpage is good if you're stating you want to try what's under discussion!

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