should i be flattered?,.....or pissed?

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:15 pm

http://www.amazon.com/Viadukt-III-Corp- ... B000OI1JH6

http://www.amazon.com/Beat-Machine-Issu ... B000SKKD5Y

jus did a quick google of "werd2jah" an came across these 2 albums up for sale on amazon.com

both featuring vocals by me

one of the albums has me in 3 tracks

problem is, all of this is news to me, dont know these people, and when i tried contactin em to jus get a listen of what they got me on i get ignored!!?!?

i do have vocals postd on soundclick.com free for downloadin but theyre of poor quality, and old as shit

should i be pissed they are usin my shitz without even a courtesy email or preview? or is this what i get for puttin up vocals on websites? is there some legal action i can take?

or should i jus be flattered an "charge it to the game"

discuss people, help me out

p.s. dont support these bastards, please dont buy theyre shit

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:34 pm

found yet another one

http://www.amazon.com/Eye-D-Keezy/dp/B0 ... 428&sr=1-1

i recommend yu all google yur stage names to make sure pirates arent stealin yur shizz's

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:39 pm

links dont work

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:44 pm

well thats a bit of good news! i found em jus by typin "werd2jah" and "amazon.com" on yahoo

DZA · Post by **DZA** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:46 pm

id be a bit pissed if i was you but then again you kinda of asked for it, but on the up side its getting you promotion at the same time

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:52 pm

thats true, i woudnt care if they had the courtesy to run the tune by me b4 postin it up, i have changed da d/l settings on my vox on soundclick.com to chargin per download, but den again the vocals up on there i dont really peform or use anymore, i do like da promotion, but still respond to ah email! especially if i'm puttin bread in yo pockets!! im not in this for the money but i would like to know wtf is goins on

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:21 pm

At least they gave you credit for the tracks, if your allowing free vocal downloads (presumably without beats/music?) i don't know what you expected of people who download them...

doubt its any more evil than sampling anyones lyrics from a 70s reggae track or somthing....

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:32 pm

Thomas wrote:At least they gave you credit for the tracks, if your allowing free vocal downloads (presumably without beats/music?) i don't know what you expected of people who download them...

doubt its any more evil than sampling anyones lyrics from a 70s reggae track or somthing....

i have no problem with using my vocals, i post vocals on this an other forums as much as i can, but if yur makin money from it there is procedures that needs to be taken, if someone samples a old 70's reggae tune, they still have to clear the rights for it an pay up if theyre makin any profit from it

all that aside, they could have been makin a million bucks from it, i didnt have a problem until i tried to contact em jus to hear the tunes and they ignored me

isnt that burnin bridges?!? not a good look in this musik biz

i am still not gonna take down the vocals i have up on soundclick.com

or on here, all i wanna really do is jus hear the tune

at least they acknowledged me? pfft! atleast im jus talkin bout it on here an not sue'n their arses!

i jus think that its bad form, esp if yu wanna continue to be an artist, i cant be the only one who thinks this

skrewface · Post by **skrewface** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:44 pm

Copying is the optimal form of flattery.

"I do have vocals postd on soundclick.com free for downloadin but theyre of poor quality, and old as shit" does explain alot.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:51 pm

if that was me i would be flattered, until they ignored me, then i would be pissed.

sully_harmitage · Post by **sully_harmitage** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:59 pm

that is not on mate. i would contact amazon if the labels aren't co-operating.

darkmatteruk · Post by **darkmatteruk** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:08 pm

seems odd though that they have given you a shout on the record sleeve, but wont get back to you

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:11 pm

darkmatterUK wrote:seems odd though that they have given you a shout on the record sleeve, but wont get back to you

i think they think i am money hungry or some shit, which makes me wonder what kinda people they are an where their mind is at,....hmmmm

(only a thief would look at yu first glance an think yu was plotting on robbing them, and so on,.....)

thomas · Post by **thomas** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:16 pm

Werd2jaH wrote:if someone samples a old 70's reggae tune, they still have to clear the rights for it an pay up if theyre makin any profit from it

Not really, i mean even J Dilla sampled without clearing samples and got caught. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but it happens, and alot of people don't care or notice untill its brought up to our attention like this.

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:29 pm

Thomas wrote:
Werd2jaH wrote:if someone samples a old 70's reggae tune, they still have to clear the rights for it an pay up if theyre makin any profit from it
Not really, i mean even J Dilla sampled without clearing samples and got caught. I'm not saying its right or wrong, but it happens, and alot of people don't care or notice untill its brought up to our attention like this.

i guess, but 3 songs on one album? yu gotta notice or care bout that

ed teach · Post by **ed teach** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:02 pm

I'm a big supporter of cross promotion because it's something this scene was and still is being built on, but this is something different so you have a right to be annoyed.

Anyone using your name or material in commercial products without permission is breaking copyright law and liable for intellectual property infringement, regardless of how they have come across it. Even if you freely distribute your work you still have ownership rights over it.

If you can't speak with any of the artists directly go through their label, publisher or distributor and try to arrange a meeting to assess exactly how much of your material is being used and how much has been sold. Get some representation and put pressure on the relevant party, and only threaten them with legal action as a last resort because it really is the final option.

In the U.K. we have organisations like AIM, BPI & BMR to assist musicians in recovering royalties and protecting their work. I suggest you find the U.S. equivalent and request some advice. Start off here:

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what

This site defines clearly what legal rights you have over your work as an American musician. Contact them directly to see if they can refer you somewhere dealing exclusively with American music law.

Keep us all posted on how you get on with this.

werd2jah · Post by **werd2jah** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:09 pm

Ed Teach wrote:I'm a big supporter of cross promotion because it's something this scene was and still is being built on, but this is something different so you have a right to be annoyed.

Anyone using your name or material in commercial products without permission is breaking copyright law and liable for intellectual property infringement, regardless of how they have come across it. Even if you freely distribute your work you still have ownership rights over it.

If you can't speak with any of the artists directly go through their label, publisher or distributor and try to arrange a meeting to assess exactly how much of your material is being used and how much has been sold. Get some representation and put pressure on the relevant party, and only threaten them with legal action as a last resort because it really is the final option.

In the U.K. we have organisations like AIM, BPI & BMR to assist musicians in recovering royalties and protecting their work. I suggest you find the U.S. equivalent and request some advice. Start off here:

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#what

This site defines clearly what legal rights you have over your work as an American musician. Contact them directly to see if they can refer you somewhere dealing exclusively with American music law.

Keep us all posted on how you get on with this.

thnx alot for this info, i know vaguely about ASCAP for musician's here in the u.s. but now im def gonna look deeper into this

thnx again, no wonder they call yuh ed TEACH

d-T-r · Post by **d-T-r** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 9:48 pm

not that it should be acceptable or anything but sampling in whatever form kinda just happens.

imagine if everyone got caught sampling the amen or something.
i think thats why wide spread hip hop production is the way it is now days. everythings gotta be cleared or your fucked.

im pretty sure countless dubstep tunes have sampled stuff without clearing.

shiit happens. obviously its a completely different story when shit happens to yourself tho.

be flattered. unless they're making a substansial ammount from you.

whineo · Post by **whineo** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 11:47 pm

if they are selling it then you should be pissed

claw · Post by **claw** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 12:03 am

if they were posted for free....then you got nothin at all you can really do here

if you put em up for free though, you had to atleast consider that someone somewhere would get ahold of them and prolly use them...

imho...charge money next time/only give vox to certain people and definitely should retain rites to all of your original material if you dont want people to capitolize off of your generosity

should i be flattered?,.....or pissed?

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