excision style bassline

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Thu Oct 09, 2008 11:58 pm

alright guys

just wondering how to get that really dark bass sound excision is so well known for

any help is much appreciated

djake · Post by **djake** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:05 am

proberly some kind of reese (2 detuned saw waves)

n then some processing, filtering ect....

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:07 am

okey doke

cheers

jagle · Post by **jagle** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:31 am

SINE WAVES BABY

serox · Post by **serox** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:54 am

bandshell wrote:alright guys

just wondering how to get that really dark bass sound excision is so well known for

any help is much appreciated

I spoke to him about what he uses before and he went thru quite a few VSTs.

daft cunt · Post by **daft cunt** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:39 am

I think it was him who once wrote on DOA that everything he learnt, he learnt on that forum. Quite a few great bass turorials on there.
Here are a few pages I oftenly visit while making bass sounds:

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... genumber=2

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... did=337721

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... did=539307

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... did=566125

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... did=518635

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... genumber=1

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... did=545877

Hope it helps.

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:48 pm

sound

cheers for the links

Shift Recordings · Post by **Shift Recordings** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 4:21 pm

Massive

Albino

excision · Post by **excision** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:48 pm

haha well isn't this a nice compliment

Synths:
Z3ta (for cold evil sounds)
Albino (for solid grimy wobs)
Predator (if you got enough time to sort it out, anything you want)
Massive (if your in the vibe of a tune and want cool sound really quick)

I've never used a preset for a bass sound EVER, sure they are great for learning a synth and deconstructing samples to figure out whats going on. But start from scratch, force yourself to spend an entire day just in one synth, save 10 different versions of each sound. The next day go through and listen to those versions, pick the best few, and resample them to the tits. Load up a ton of effects but only process the sound a little bit with each effect. Pay attention to what kind, and in what order you put the effects in and save your "effect processes" in separate projects. Then when you make a new bass you can run it through one of your older "effect processes".

And yeah The Grid on DOA is a gold mine. Use the search lots, and look up resampling techniques (filtering and splitting up frequencies) if your new to this. It's not just for DnB type basses. You can resample any sound and use "effect processes" on anything to beef up every sound in your whole track if you want.

Sure it sounds like a lot of work, and it might take a month to finish a song, but i'd rather do that and have a different sound, then slack off and sound like another sheep in the herd.

Hope this helps

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:50 pm

ahh the man himself

cheers for the advice, great help

djake · Post by **djake** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:35 pm

theres ur answer right there

processing bass can become an addiction.

plus ive found found that it never, sounds the same!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:31 am

As Excision said, fx chains are often key. But also very simple processes like filtering and waveshaping within your synths can be used to good effect.
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Written in another thread already, but for reason, you could try:

-Explore the comb filter settings on the Malstrom. (Modulate these with adsr and lfo's).

-Explore using the Index, Shift & Motion controls on the Malstrom to create movement in your bass patches. (Tie to lfo's & adsr's).

-Explore using the ECF filter within a combinator. (This allows you to easily create resonant filter sweeps). (Also link to adsr's & lfo's).

-Explore using the PEQ2 and M-Class EQ as a notch/bandpass filter. (Link up to lfo's & adsr's, dammit...!!!)

-Explore applying the Scream 4 distortion device as an insert, then a send, then both at the same time. Stack your Scream4 units. (Mal--->Scream 4--->Scream 4---->Linemixer---->Send to Scream 4---->Scream 4----->Insert output of line mixer into a Scream 4---->ECF Filter.)

-Explore using the Malstrom and the Thor as an insert filter, much like the ECF/Scream/EQ's.

-Explore using the M-Class Limiter as an overdrive/saturation device.

-Explore the possibilities of phase distortion when you play two notes a semitone apart.

-Explore the phase controls on the Subtractor.

-Explore creating a bass sound, bouncing it down and reimporting it into Reason in the NN-19 or NN-XT samplers.

-Explore using the Spider Audio Splitter to create frequency split distorted basslines.

-Explore using the Vocoder as an EQ & filter.

-Explore pumping and sidechain compression using the M-Class Compressor.

-Repeat the above process x100

-Bang your head against the wall.

-Repeat the above process x100.

Well done, your now a famous dubstep producer!

futures_untold · Post by **futures_untold** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 9:43 am

Some more bass related threads to check out:

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... highlight=

Not sure if they're entirely relevent to excision style basslines, but the more one knows about bass the easier it becomes to formulate new styles.....

bandshell · Post by **bandshell** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:35 pm

ah cheers

useful links

jayou · Post by **jayou** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 1:14 pm

djake wrote:theres ur answer right there

processing bass can become an addiction.

plus ive found found that it never, sounds the same!

Bounce to audio!

BBC · Post by **BBC** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:03 pm

This may not be the most appropriate setting for this comment, but It corresponds to adding distortion in smaller ammounts AKA more dry then wet.... AND DAMMIT

The Devastor D16 distortion unit is great. PERIOD, yet it doesn't have a wet dry knob, so I am always busing and recombining which sometimes muddles things up. God i wish there was a wet dry knob. If I am missing something PLEASE tell... cheers blah

knell · Post by **knell** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:16 pm

can we sticky this thread please? it's a catch all to the #1 FAQ and would save a lot of newcomers from flame.

..please?

please.

Bazzle09 · Post by **Bazzle09** » Mon May 03, 2010 11:25 pm

yeah epic bumpage, stick around bbc man, you have your work cut out lol.

mc wayne · Post by **mc wayne** » Wed May 05, 2010 10:51 pm

after listening to "Boom" i had to bump this thread sorry

the bass sound just baffles me at first listen, there's something really smooth going on with LFO transisions, no idea what vsti he uses, I don't have masssive but doesn't that have ways of doing very interesting things with the lfo waveform?

it's basically a reese isn't it, but there's so much shit going on, ok apart from (gotta be) bandpass filter LFOage. you need to roll off below 60hz just so you can add a sinewave underneath but make double sure it matches the pitch or it will be obvious how you did it.
the reese it self must have some sort of distortion (The 'cabinet simulator' in the latest Renoise, comes to mind) also, notch filters, or "mid-scoops" as any doom-metal guitarist will tell you. don't just leave a static notch/scoop, automate that too. also, add short reverb but make sure the reverb is HPF on the wet or it's gonna clash.

as for tones, mess around with detuning, but FM sounds and Sync sounds are the way to go I think.

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed May 05, 2010 10:59 pm

mc wayne wrote:after listening to "Boom" i had to bump this thread sorry

the bass sound just baffles me at first listen, there's something really smooth going on with LFO transisions, no idea what vsti he uses, I don't have masssive but doesn't that have ways of doing very interesting things with the lfo waveform?

it's basically a reese isn't it, but there's so much shit going on, ok apart from (gotta be) bandpass filter LFOage. you need to roll off below 60hz just so you can add a sinewave underneath but make double sure it matches the pitch or it will be obvious how you did it.
the reese it self must have some sort of distortion (The 'cabinet simulator' in the latest Renoise, comes to mind) also, notch filters, or "mid-scoops" as any doom-metal guitarist will tell you. don't just leave a static notch/scoop, automate that too. also, add short reverb but make sure the reverb is HPF on the wet or it's gonna clash.

as for tones, mess around with detuning, but FM sounds and Sync sounds are the way to go I think.

multibandng your sound and modulating each band and processing each individually then resampling helps too

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