Where did the bass go?

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rynke
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Where did the bass go?

Post by rynke » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:28 pm

First of all, dont flame me, if i posted this the wrong place, caus i'm new here.
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I bought a pair of these a few months ago:

http://www.musikladen.dk/index.php?120& ... ducts=2119

But i just cant figure out if i'm doing something wrong (soundcard, driver etc)
or if they just aren't made for dubstep.

If i turn up the volume when i listen to tracks with a deep bass (For instance Colourful by Skream) The bass is nice and i can feel it in the floor, it doesn't pound my chest, but its there...

If i listen to, let's say Caspa - Terminator then i can't feel the bass, it's like it's non-existant. It's not there. This may not be the best examples, but i hope you get the picture.

The kicks hits hard and all, but the god damned bass is just so weak, and its driving me insane.

When i play some of the stuff i've made on my friends speakers, the bass is way too extreme because on my "nEar 08"'s it sounds just fine and i can't hear that the bass is too loud.

Now, i just want to know: Are my speakers crap, or am i missing something? I really want to know, 'caus they weren't cheap...

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:36 pm

your room

that plays as much a job in what your hearing as the monitors
do you know the basics about room acoustics?

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Post by breaksbaron » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:38 pm

Adjust trim switches at the back of your monitors................................

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Post by FSTZ1 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 6:42 pm

perhape the bass in the tune is below the frequency range of your monitors

it happens

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 7:32 pm

+ 1

try using a sub for thos serious low frequencies

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Post by rynke » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:27 pm

no, unfortunatly i dont know the basics of room acoustics, and my room isn't filled with crap, actually its kinda empty... i guess that could be why...

I just failed i guess... :? i just noticed that there is 3 switches on the back of the speakers:
"Low frequency" "high frequency" and the volume ofcourse.
They're standing on my computer table, and theres a cupboard on each side and some crap on my desk... i didnt bothered looking 'caus i didnt remember them being there... stupid... But any way how should i set them up?

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:34 pm

get them off the desk and up on stands for a start
seriously
and 2-3 feet away from a wall

in an equilateral (sorry if its miss spelled) triangle
so basicly if there 6 feet apart they should be 6 feet from your head, and the centre should be inline with your ears

some bass traps if you can afford it, and i mean even DIY ones

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Post by drokkr » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:42 pm

jagle wrote:get them off the desk and up on stands for a start
seriously
and 2-3 feet away from a wall

in an equilateral (sorry if its miss spelled) triangle
so basicly if there 6 feet apart they should be 6 feet from your head, and the centre should be inline with your ears

some bass traps if you can afford it, and i mean even DIY ones
good advice right there ^^^

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:45 pm

thanks im good

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Post by FSTZ1 » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:51 pm

haha

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Post by drokkr » Thu Oct 16, 2008 8:51 pm

jagle wrote:thanks im good
modest too :)

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:02 pm

and cute..

need some more help with your bass
give that a go and we can work from there

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Post by rynke » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:07 pm

Actually the guy in the shop where i bought them said something... that i cant really remember, but bla bla bla something about them being meant for studio environment and that they're nearfield monitors, and he said that its fine if they're standing on my table. do you really think it will change that much.. i mean have such a great effect on the bass? :?

When i first got them my table where in the middle of the room, and the bass where even weaker back then, when i moved my table to the wall, the bass became much more intense, so moving them away from the wall.. eh.. wouldnt that just "undo" that effect?

I dont doubt that you're right, i just dont get that my speakers have to be moved around, when all my friends dont experience this problem with the same kind of setup?

Ah, this is much more complex that i'd imagined :o

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Post by jagle » Thu Oct 16, 2008 9:16 pm

its the room

listen when there close to the wall behind the monitors, the bass frequencies can extend along the wall, turning you wall into a massive amp and so making your bass sound massive, when in reality its not that big

when you place them on a straight surface, like a desk, the waves can be refracted up and can do horrible things to the sound, also itll cause the entire desk to resonate at its resonant frequency, something you dont want to happen, so youll have to make sure there isolated if you wanna do that

trust me mate, SOUND IS MORE COMPLICATED THEN WOMEN

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Post by eastern electrics » Thu Oct 16, 2008 10:29 pm

as you move neareer to the wall the sound will always become louder, especially the low frequencies. (proximity-effect)
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Post by jagle » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:08 am

so try some stuff mate and well, let us know how ya get along

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Post by rynke » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:30 am

Yeah, i'll buy a pair of monitor stands and see how that'll work

Thanks for the advice so far :)

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Post by serox » Fri Oct 17, 2008 11:45 am

Also don't forget all manufactures of speakers lie about the real freq range.

I am not surprised you cannot hear sub bass on them speakers tbh.

I use my Alesis speakers when making the drums but when I start work on bass/sub I use my in ear headphones.
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Post by jagle » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:10 pm

no problem i know how frustrating it can be when shit just doesnt work

and true they do like to lie
you on a mac or pc?

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Post by manray » Fri Oct 17, 2008 12:21 pm

My monitors have a sweet spot for bass about 1 meter away. Definitely near field monitors. Any further than that and you cant hear/feel it. Caspa style bass doesn't really have a lot of punch for me neither but play it in a club and it's a different story.

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