Effect or very clever automation?

azair · Post by **azair** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 12:17 pm

Hi all.

I've been amazed by a tune of Mike Sheridan. It's so advanced music and you can never really put a finger on what he is doing and how did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVaLD-gThU

Listen to the beginning, is that some kind of effect or very clever automation?

In same thread I would like to ask for a good guide for automation in general?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:32 pm

it sounds to me like its a sound played via a sampler which can sequence the offset of the plaback position...which gives the effect of the audio jumping around a single sound...

i'm saying a sampler/(grain sampler) as it is quantized...which could also be done by hand through chopping a sound at different points and placing in a sequence

Reaktors random stepshifter makes exactly this sound effect...small pic i know...but the top sequencer indicates what area of the sample below it will play in a desired sequence...(if you put a single chord hit or pad sound in the sampler you will get the same effect as what is happening in your video example

azair · Post by **azair** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:40 pm

Ah awesome.

Using Reaktors stepshifter it shouldn't be that difficult? Does Logic/Ableton have a similiar program?

spencertron · Post by **spencertron** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 1:57 pm

i don't think logic has anything specifically for this but you could try using something like a patter sequencer (drum machine etc)...and trigger the sample as you would in a drum machine via it's own sequencer and adjust things such as pitch/velocity and maybe offset (if it has offset option)

i'm sure there must be something other than reaktor that will do this for you though.

j-sh · Post by **j-sh** » Mon Mar 02, 2009 4:45 pm

try a plugin called livecut - its free and is good for making this sort of thing.
also dbglitch is a pretty popular glitch plugin.

Alternatively another good way is to cut up a sample in the scene view in ableton and map a key on your keyboard to each slice and play around to create new glitchy sounds.

azair · Post by **azair** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 3:06 pm

All of the production techniques and tools that I hear in there are fairly ordinary. With more experience, you will hear what is going on and likely will know five different ways to achieve the same effect.

You're right. I'm not much of a producer myself, so I'm not familiar with techniques he uses, so that's why I got so fascinated.

The "drum pattern" he uses a couple of times in the sound with different soudns are just so perfect too, wonder how he made it.

Do you have an guide for production techniques like this?

try a plugin called livecut - its free and is good for making this sort of thing.
also dbglitch is a pretty popular glitch plugin.

Thanks! I'll try it out!

requiem.mf · Post by **requiem.mf** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 7:43 pm

LiveCut and DeepBlueGlitch are both fucking insane and amazing. Yet they are a tad too random.

Ableton has a neat sample offset.

Here's what it did in this particular image, it's first couple seconds of Radiohead's No Surprises.

http://radioshuffle.tumblr.com/post/83223336

requiem.mf · Post by **requiem.mf** » Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:00 pm

nowaysj wrote:There are lots and lots of ways to glitch.

This can be a presidential campaign slogan, for sure :twisted:

azair · Post by **azair** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 8:54 am

Try to produce this track (or a track that you are really interested) from the ground up, w/ your own sounds, samples, synths ect. Try to make your track sound exactly like Mike's. If you really go for it, and ask questions when you can't make a particular sound, you will go a long way to learning music production.

Alright, I'll give it a go, but I think most of his tunes are very difficult.

azair · Post by **azair** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 3:54 pm

I tried to download LiveCut. I get a .dmg file that I open with two programs. One .components and one .vst file, how do I open them?

jade_monkey · Post by **jade_monkey** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:24 pm

a .dmg. file is a container file for OSX, so it won't work with Windows.
I'd use the ableton sample offset with a volume automation or just a lot of ctr+c.

azair · Post by **azair** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 4:42 pm

I use Mac.

I know the .dmg container and in that there is a .vst file that I don't know how to open.

ali jamieson · Post by **ali jamieson** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 11:07 pm

Azair wrote:Hi all.

I've been amazed by a tune of Mike Sheridan. It's so advanced music and you can never really put a finger on what he is doing and how did it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVaLD-gThU

Listen to the beginning, is that some kind of effect or very clever automation?

In same thread I would like to ask for a good guide for automation in general?

yer reaktor has a tonne of things that do that, or it's just gating a vector type sound

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 1:51 am

Azair wrote:I use Mac.

I know the .dmg container and in that there is a .vst file that I don't know how to open.

what would u use to host the .vst? mac's typically use AU plugins.. or at least Logic does.. I noticed that you can download either the .vst or the AU

jolly wailer · Post by **jolly wailer** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 3:10 am

so I d/l'd the LiveCut AU and installed the .component into library>audio>plug-ins and Logic recognizes and runs the plug...

dun know how to control it as its quite random but I guess you just let it run and then sample little weirdness as you see fit, kinda cool...

mellow sounds into glitch plug + reverb seems to work

here's a lil bit of what I was messing with, this is what I got LiveCut to do within 5 minutes of installing it..

http://www.divshare.com/download/6723383-8fd

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