dubstep or not? (con't!) from over there...

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 6:48 pm

RANDOM TRIO wrote:big selection but toasty, s&d & morph dont produce dub step

yeah, i know and you do have a point ... but i don't care! mwah hahaha
i don't think the division is any more helpful now than it was before.
thems some good jams and they can be mixed as such-
there's too much fighting on the dance floor...
in your opinion, are they "too exciting" to be dubstep?
is "fallen" too dirgey to be dubstep?
i don't like the term "breakstep", though i reckon that's whatn
ye might call it?
probably i should start a new thread insted of hijacking my own...
and what was this all about: plasticman referring to the music policy
at filthy dubs and using the word "techstep" (or naming self after plastikman for that matter - haw haw haw)

peace

kion · Post by **kion** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 10:29 pm

'dubstep' was always a bt of a lame tag from the very start, and so was 'breakstep'. Anything with fuckin 'step' is almost as bad as prefixing a style of music with 'progressive' imo (techstep, 2 step, hardstep, clownstep its all lazy bollox labelling, as is progressive dnb, house, breaks, rock).

It doesn't mean I don't like the contents - I just don't like the current labelling surrounding the tins. No skin off my nose personally, but from an outsiders point of view, there's no real immediate 'identitiy' to latch onto.

Jungle - now that was a unique label for a scene and style, and it stuck.

Who'd have thought the term 'Grime' would have stuck as well (being another unique definition), but it did (even though twats like Spoony won't acknowledge the term). And not a 'step' appendage in site.

DMZ might have inadvertantly (or maybe purposefully) come up with a decent unique definition for the music that hasn't been picked up on yet (hint - it's on their flyers..)

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 11:00 pm

yeah... too many definitions! i do like the term "dubstep", though, as well as the term "techstep" for the no-u-turn sound.
i posted about my favourite traks and instantly, the divisions reared up!
(see "personal dubstep faves...")
it's a good thing to have all the different flavas and to recognize where the sounds come from, but dang, yo... dang!
tracks like "fallen" & "root" which i love are nothing like the dubstep that still has garage flava, so... what?
though i don't want to add more names to the mix, i refer to those trak as "half-steppa", though it's still under the dubstep umbrella.

amen-ra · Post by **amen-ra** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:34 am

We gotta stop trying to define ourselves

Music's infinite. I always thought of dubstep as a blank canvass with maybe a couple of solid rules. Once the teacher's taught u them 'rules' he just gives u the paint brush and fucks off out of the room.

Skreamz is supposedly a dubstep artist but when you see the array of beats he's built you realise he's much more than that. I remember some interview with the Mystikz where they were saying something along the lines of whatver music u make iz YOUR SOUND. I suppose this is the basis of Wiley's Eski ting.

Dubstep is just a very wack unbrella term for a lot of different strands in my eyes. We gots to look at the reality of it to know it.

Kinda like when I realised that the word democracy doesnt seem to actually mean what its supporters seem to think.

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:37 am

word up, amen-ra!
big up south london, meanwhile~!

seckle · Post by **seckle** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:18 am

Amen-Ra wrote:We gotta stop trying to define ourselves

Music's infinite. I always thought of dubstep as a blank canvass with maybe a couple of solid rules. Once the teacher's taught u them 'rules' he just gives u the paint brush and fucks off out of the room.

Skreamz is supposedly a dubstep artist but when you see the array of beats he's built you realise he's much more than that. I remember some interview with the Mystikz where they were saying something along the lines of whatver music u make iz YOUR SOUND. I suppose this is the basis of Wiley's Eski ting.

Dubstep is just a very wack unbrella term for a lot of different strands in my eyes. We gots to look at the reality of it to know it.

Kinda like when I realised that the word democracy doesnt seem to actually mean what its supporters seem to think.

i agree with nearly everything you've said. here's the problem though.
in a world full of labels and music genre's, you need to be able to explain and promote the sound in some way?
for example, magazines. journalists make their living off labels. it's part of their language.

in 2006, how do you promote a form of underground music, without using a label or catchy description?

if you can come up with an answer to that then hats off to you.

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:25 am

oh, word?
and of course people oughta be accurate with these labels, yeah?
wich is society's fault becaauuusse...?

yeah, it's impotant, but a lotta muthafukkas be gettin hella uptight and shit, which is dumb and boring....

hats off to u guys for keepin it mello!

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:37 am

this is a very 'forum' sort of conversation isnt it. imagine doing this in real life? god.

ghettobot · Post by **ghettobot** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:34 am

word, it's funny. i think it would actually take on a more civil tone if it were real people in person, yeah?
or maybe come to fisticuffs! easy!

rickyricardo · Post by **rickyricardo** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 3:15 am

my vote is for fisticuffs....that's the only way we'll solve anything

JOKES!

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:16 am

2 be honest it all started off as fwd music. there were no divides, then it started breaking off into different sounds.I know what your saying that its all the same and should be labeled under 1 term. The fact being the sounds are different. U cant say sounds like s&d ,oris ect are dub step..its breaks. and n all them crews that produce, thats grime not dub step. the sounds are totally different, they dont say they make dub step,they do the same as us and put it in there own cat.

i play 1 sound and thats what i call dub step. its deeper and more laid back.

fallen and roots are what we class as dub step.

i think the divide is a good thing as it attracts a different crowd. none of that gun man bollox.

random trio · Post by **random trio** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:37 am

shit. jus c the other thread of ur's ghettobot. started a war in there. lol.

was only pointing out in a good way. no harm intened.

scary · Post by **scary** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:37 am

RickyRicardo wrote:my vote is for fisticuffs....that's the only way we'll solve anything

LOL

andythetwig · Post by **andythetwig** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:56 am

I like the term "dubstep", I hope it becomes something more that just a variation on other scenes.

A music scene isn't defined by a tune, it's defined by the people making the tunes, promoting the nights.

If you think about it like that, you stop the urge to invent a new genre every time someone has a fresh idea.

But names for scenes, however loosely defined, are vital for promoting and communicating.

It's not like any one person/group can do anything about it anyway... pointless discussion!

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:17 pm

I agree names are important. But I think exclusion because certain tunes/DJ's/producers dont fit someone's strict rules of what 'dubstep' is is not good. Fair enough if you're going for a certain sound ... every producer/DJ/promoter has an idea of the sound they're going for.
Personally, I got into this scene after a short stint doing breaks, which i realised was not a scene I could express myself in musically .. before that it was breakbeat garage similar to what was being called dubstep at the time - the funny thing is, a lot of the breaks peeps (at least a year or 2 ago) would say any tune which didnt have a strict 2-step/ploddy beat was 'garage' or 'dubstep'!!

Which puts producers like Toasty and S&D in a funny position at the moment - as dubstep becomes more defined it becomes more exclusive... personally I think 'breakstep' is a bit of a crap name, although it probably defines a lot of what S&D and Toasty (and myself) are doing better than 'dubstep'. But it definitely is not 'breaks' - totally different feel, different rhythms etc. I like energetic breaky tunes, but I also like minimal dubby tunes aswell. As far as I'm concerned we're all part of the same musical family, hence these discussions on this forum ... personally i'd rather just get with making tunes than worrying about which genre I fit into. I make what I feel, call it what u like.

slengleteng · Post by **slengleteng** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:47 pm

Amen Ra, Random Trio, and Geoff all chatting sense,

Geoff you hit the nail on the head, about why Dubmugga is so jarring;
and why this message board although a good way to waste time and share information can get things twisted.

i agree with elemental, that Toasty S&D etc.
are in a difficult situation in a way, there gonna need to rep there sound on their own, because the breaks scene is not somewhere that anyones gonna want to go. because of what it is, its attitudes and the formulaic nature of the music. and there not getting as much Representation at FWD as they might want.

where does a tune like Lightning dub fit into all this? its got the most classic break in it, made by one of the producers most associated with the pure dubstep sound. tunes like this are hard to put into subcatergories and show up their limitations

i reckon the best way to look at it is as all FWD music.

[b]racket · Post by **[b]racket** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:49 pm

elemental wrote:... personally i'd rather just get with making tunes than worrying about which genre I fit into. I make what I feel, call it what u like.

Same as.

The few people i have played my beats to all asked me what kind of music Im making and to be totally honest i aint spent that much time thinking about it. I just do what i do...

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 1:24 pm

I must be really stupid cos I don't know where in this thread geoff says i'm so jarring in such nail head hitting fashion ???

Is it cos we're an anomalous strain that evolved in isolation and pretty much emerged full blown or my charming nettiquette and shameless self promotion ???

If only our tunes sucked real bad or didn't fit into the mix, it'd make things so much easier

so what should our music be defined as ???

slengleteng · Post by **slengleteng** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:21 pm

it was in the earlier thread which this is a continuation of.

if Dubmugga was the most important player in the dubstep scene for example, after the amount of bullshit, beggin it, hype, that he chats on here, I certainly wouldnt be as into the scene no matter what his music sounded like

I didn't mean to start gunning you, you get enough of that already. i just thought he hit on somthing that i've been feeling.

your funny,
theres jut somthing about the way you go on, that makes me cringe,
its like watching the office you know.

dubmugga · Post by **dubmugga** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 2:27 pm

^^^amazing that i can affect you enough over the net isn't it ???

...try listening to our tunes alone, irie and in the dark and really get the full effect

but surely you don't believe david brent is really ricky gervais...

it's a mockumentary or is it ???

it's a culture, no it's a scene or is it ???

maybe it's just music that infects you ???

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