anyone reach Dirty Canvas?

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:07 pm

what a dissapointment. Kode9 was the best thing about it and its meant to be a grime night ffs

metalboxproducts · Post by **metalboxproducts** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 2:12 pm

Thats a shame i'd heard good things about it.

the947sw11 · Post by **the947sw11** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:51 pm

haha what happened, did Essentials reform or something, lol

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:58 pm

naar
i dunno why they still use that nae cos davinche is nothing to do with the night
it was the movement. they spent most of their time calling out boy better know. logan dropped a few house and electro tunes (JOKER!)
over-excited lads started a circle pit
one of the mcs goes: "white people always start trouble"
LOL

basically
all hype and no content. and those of you who kno me will know i wouldnt usually say that

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 4:49 pm

i agree with everything alex said on dot-alt, but in the promoters defence:

(i) they're gonna move it to a new venue and soon, apparently

(ii) why can some grime performers still not turn up when booked? not that i wanted to see l man, but still. also how is it that logan, supposedly the most professional man on the scene, turns up late?

poor kode9 had to play a double-length set cause logan was so late.

what i'm most disappointed in is just the general, complete lack of live activity

seebs2000 · Post by **seebs2000** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:31 pm

Yeah i got to agree, it weren't the best night. Missed L Man, but I think he did appear cos I think I saw him leaving as I arrived.
Logan was defo not on top form. It didn't help that the kids at the front kept knocking the decks, but for the DJ to get on the mic is unprofessional (except Skream

) He turned down the music, grabbed a mic and then cussed the people at the front. Good work mate, it took fully 10 minutes till people were dancing again. Then, obviously not satisfied, did it again later.
It was Logan who said that white people start all the trouble. I was just confused... does that include him?

Anyways, Ghetto, Scorcher, Wretch and Lightning started well and murked for a bit. But its the little, unprofessional things that just spoiled it (at least for me).
E.g. Logan putting echo on the mic, and then leaving it for ages, until Scorcher had to tell him to take it off. Altho Ghetto did do his best D Double impression...
Logan getting on the mic, TWICE. Just pass a message to the MCs...
Ghetto tripping his lyrics, then admitting he was lean out of his head...
Scorcher missing the drop 3 TIMES on the same tune. hehehe....
Logan playing some electro stuff that had all the MCs confused and froze the dancefloor...
Wretch asking the crowd "who's supporting Mercston?" and getting air...
General lack of mic clarity, couldnt understand what they were saying even tho I knew the lyrics...
Having to run outside for a zoot...

Still, it was an ok night. Kode 9 was heavy

8 · Post by 8 » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:52 pm

Blimey, two experiences of things not working at The ICA in one month. First the current exhibition, then last night's Dirty Canvas gig.

I expected it to be rather good- The ICA's a nice venue, if not stark which I'd hoped would suit the music at Dirty Canvas. But I found it all rather surreal and amusing. Farcial even.

Like being on a planet of clowns.

It definitely wasn't about the gold gun pendant that one of the geezers was wearing....*rolls eyes*

During Logan Sama's set the hype overtook the music. I heard all of about 3 tunes that I actually liked and the mc's were nothing special at all.

Kode9 played a wicked set though considering he had to play for an extra hour (tut tut Sama!).

the947sw11 · Post by **the947sw11** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:53 pm

I can't really comment on what Logan said because I wasn't there, but it does sound just a *little* like something Westwood might have said, doesn't it?

And as for grime MCs etc not turning up, etc, it's attitude like that which is really holding certain ppl back... there's too much of this ""mans big on road innit, man don't need to spit on every show or mixtape get me" attitude amongst certain artists - well, how else do they expect to get big on anywhere except "the roads" with an attitude like that?

I was never a big well-known DJ but when I was playing out the most (5-7 years ago) I would NEVER have turned down ANY gig, and I always turned up, unless the feds stopped my car on the way to the rave! Maybe that's why I kept getting re-booked, and maybe that's why I'm still getting to play out at certain events (next one is at the end of this month) despite definitely NOT being on "a hype ting" at the moment at all!

Grime really ought to be one of the biggest things since drum 'n' bass, but the way things are going, I think it's going to end up more like hip-house (lol) and a lot of it is to do with the attitude of certain artists I think. Big up everyone who is moving grime forward, though...

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:02 am

A 'proper' grime night at the ICA? It's not really a venue that I would have thought would attract a grime crowd but maybe the intention was to attract a more mainstream crowd. Certainly all attempts to hold a grime night in the city such as S.O.B have failed due to beef or promoters being nervous of grime nights in the first place. I was with someone recently who was looking to put on a dubstep night and they mentioned the word "grime" and the shutters came down. I love the music but it is it's own worst enemy.

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:13 am

drbluebeat wrote:A 'proper' grime night at the ICA? It's not really a venue that I would have thought would attract a grime crowd but maybe the intention was to attract a more mainstream crowd.

yr right - though i'm not so sure that's the intention per se, so much as that's seen as the only realistic possibility for getting a grime night off the ground. like 'okay, if we stick a grime night in a manicured art gallery right next to buck pal, well there just can't be any trouble right?'... so fucking depressing.

anyone read chantelle fiddy's explanation of what happened to s.o.b.? shocking stuff.

by the by i thought i saw l man too but i don't think he touched mic. all of the criticisms from everyone here are spot on. can't believe how much logan lectures 'the scene' on his kiss show about the importance of professionalism, only to play that short, clipped, late, uninspired set.

i think it was slightly tongue-in-cheek, his comment about white people being dicks. he said 'hold tight the pub crowd' a little while after.

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:45 am

"ARRGGHH, U KNOW MAN DONT TURN UP TO DEM EEEEEVENTS UGEME

MMAAANNN JUST COTCH AND SPIT ON ROOOOAAAAAAD BLLLAAADD..."

and they wonder why dubsteps becoming more popular than grime

drbluebeat · Post by **drbluebeat** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 10:52 am

lol

yeah I read fiddys stuff about SOB and it makes me sad still but not surprised.

fiddy got video up from Sat:

http://chantellefiddy.blogspot.com/2006 ... urday.html

alex bk-bk · Post by **alex bk-bk** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:30 pm

deamonds wrote:"ARRGGHH, U KNOW MAN DONT TURN UP TO DEM EEEEEVENTS UGEME

MMAAANNN JUST COTCH AND SPIT ON ROOOOAAAAAAD BLLLAAADD..."

and they wonder why dubsteps becoming more popular than grime

what are you on about? they did turn up and did spit, but they weren't very good. lets not get the issues confused !

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 12:33 pm

Alex bk-bk wrote:
deamonds wrote:"ARRGGHH, U KNOW MAN DONT TURN UP TO DEM EEEEEVENTS UGEME

MMAAANNN JUST COTCH AND SPIT ON ROOOOAAAAAAD BLLLAAADD..."

and they wonder why dubsteps becoming more popular than grime
what are you on about? they did turn up and did spit, but they weren't very good. lets not get the issues confused !

im commenting on the attitude of grime mc's in general, dont jump the gun and get your facts right

mos dan · Post by **mos dan** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:33 pm

deamonds wrote:
Alex bk-bk wrote:
deamonds wrote:"ARRGGHH, U KNOW MAN DONT TURN UP TO DEM EEEEEVENTS UGEME

MMAAANNN JUST COTCH AND SPIT ON ROOOOAAAAAAD BLLLAAADD..."

and they wonder why dubsteps becoming more popular than grime
what are you on about? they did turn up and did spit, but they weren't very good. lets not get the issues confused !
im commenting on the attitude of grime mc's in general, dont jump the gun and get your facts right

given that everything i can ever remember u saying on this forum about grime has been negative, i'm gonna go ahead and ignore those comments, even if i agree with some of the sentiment.

fwiw i think in a way it's jokes that the first fwd in living memory where there's been bad attitudes and trouble (i don't think it's jokes that there was trouble, don't get it twisted - fucking sorry for you mr messer), has been one devoid of grime.

'dubstep's all about vibezing and bless attitudes, meditating on bass weight, don't let grime heads bring bad attitudes into that atmosphere and spoil it' - not as simple as that all of a sudden is it?

deamonds · Post by **deamonds** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:41 pm

mos dan wrote:
deamonds wrote:
Alex bk-bk wrote:
deamonds wrote:"ARRGGHH, U KNOW MAN DONT TURN UP TO DEM EEEEEVENTS UGEME

MMAAANNN JUST COTCH AND SPIT ON ROOOOAAAAAAD BLLLAAADD..."

and they wonder why dubsteps becoming more popular than grime
what are you on about? they did turn up and did spit, but they weren't very good. lets not get the issues confused !
im commenting on the attitude of grime mc's in general, dont jump the gun and get your facts right
given that everything i can ever remember u saying on this forum about grime has been negative, i'm gonna go ahead and ignore those comments, even if i agree with some of the sentiment.

fwiw i think in a way it's jokes that the first fwd in living memory where there's been bad attitudes and trouble (i don't think it's jokes that there was trouble, don't get it twisted - fucking sorry for you mr messer), has been one devoid of grime.

'dubstep's all about vibezing and bless attitudes, meditating on bass weight, don't let grime heads bring bad attitudes into that atmosphere and spoil it' - not as simple as that all of a sudden is it?

you do what u please, ill just roll another zoot n put the needle back on the record

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:45 pm

i was majorly disappointed by the grime like.... i had gotten quite hype for it as i'd heard good things about scorcher, but it didnt come close to exciting me... a couple of half decent verses, but no content, and it was all about the crew, nothing about the rave... although perhaps not suprising given the nature of the crowd

and it seemed bate how they were calling out boy better know so much, i dont have a clue about the history but it seemed contrived so as to make impact and generate chatter and such. and with beef surely its not about saying things which are just blatantly untrue, and they most likely dont even believe themselves... ie wiley hasnt made a good beat in years hmm who are they kidding?

kode9 obviously smacked it though, enjoyed as always, despite the bizarre atmosphere

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 7:48 pm

as for grime more generally though, where do those in the know place jme and boy better know in all of this? it seems to me (albeit from the little i know) that he has a particularly professional approach to the industry (and more broadly a particularly mature and balanced approach to life)...

what do you lot think?

logan · Post by **logan** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 2:24 am

Hi.

I hope you all don't mind me exhuming this topic from it's shallow grave.

Just wanted to recount to you my experience of Dirty Canvas.

I was convinced I was due to play at 12.30, although I was due to perform an additional set at 11.45. This is my fault and I duely apologise to David and Magic, Kode 9 and anyone who was disappointed to hear a short set. I only found out I was meant to be there earlier 10 minutes into my set after I arrived!

I ran a few vocals on the CDJs in anticipation of The Movement unleashing one of the sort of inspiring sessions we have had on my Kiss show previously. However when it came time to switch to the acetate and get in the mix, I found that there was horrific feedback either from the microphone or speakers which literally was causing the needle to be blown across my dubs! I don't know if anyone noticed but when I rewound a tune the bassy feedback as I re-cued the track was deafening. It also meant it would take about a dozen attempts to even cue the first beat in the mix as the needle made a merry dance on the freshly cut plates, let alone get the opportunity to beatmatch it!

In response to some other comments:

Getting on the mic:
The one thing I actually enjoy about DJing is being able to mix 2 records together. When a crowd is literally shaking the DJ booth by barging into it repeatedly it completely removes all possibility of doing that. After the first 5 times it happened I had to ask the crowd to move back a little and let us work. MCs don't appreciate that sort of thing so I did it myself.

Also, when this music doesn't get the opportunity to be played in hardly any clubs, the last thing I want to see is the venue managers watching violent moshing going on that looks like a fight! A sarcastic comment of "It's always you white people causing trouble...." as I stand in a booth accompanied by 7 black youths in a scene which suffers terribly from stereotyping from Police and venue managers might have been lost on some of you. I also resent the Westwood remark! I kept it English. Big up the pub guys.

Reverb on the mic and Feedback:

Only one of the 2 mics was running through the mixer. The other one was allegedly being monitored by an engineer who I only ever saw at the end of the night when he came and told us to turn it off. At no time did I turn on any echo effects or have the chance to monitor volumes and levels on the microfones. On the last tune I started playing about with the delay on the DJM but that was only on the beat I was playing, not the microphone. I think the echo effect on the main mic was propbably the reason that there was such a horrible feedback loop.

And the 2 Electro tunes.....

Meh, I like Bodyrox. It works for me. The second one was only because I had to give up on the right deck and was only able to run tunes from the edge for the last 15 minutes of a truncated set, so resorted to the only instrumental I had on CD so I could actually get a mix in. A sped up version of Fedde Le Grand. It went down alright at the front though.

Once again I want to join in and voice my disappointment at the night, and apologise for my own lateness. No excuse, but know I wasn't sitting in my house smoking weed or driving round doing something else. Simply a case of crossed wires, and once more apologies to David, Magic and Kode9.

I don't really like to come online and defend myself randomly (unless it is RWD and I am being attacked from all angles by the ravenous kids there!), but I take my professional conduct very seriously and it bothers me when I have painted myself in a bad light, even if events conspired against me after my arrival.

I look forward to hopefully reaching to the ICA again and promoting the music I love in a format that is more enjoyable for you all who made the effort to turn up and watch me perform. I appreciate that effort a great deal and I sincerely apologise that you felt as if you were not met with the effort from myself you fully and rightfully expected.

Many thanks

elgato · Post by **elgato** » Sat Oct 28, 2006 9:51 am

thats big, i rate you explaining it from your perspective

sounds like a nightmare gig to play, i just think its a bad venue, its always gonna be an uphill struggle to get things right

cos it was a disappointing evening

i thought the white ppl always start trouble thing was very funny, a touch of wry wit

and i dont think westwood should be thought of so negatively! i think he's a dan. very jokes, but a dan

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