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Wus the difference between Grime and Dubstep?

Post by pets bud » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:26 pm

Im from the states so I was introduced to Dubstep first. Then became aware of Grime. It seems that the only difference is that Dubstep has more development involved in the production. There is buildups and drops as apossed to Grime which seems to be focused on loops. Is there any other differences which I am not aware of?
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Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:28 pm

the the gay homie thug convention mentioned by grooverider :6:
grime is a uk rap thing pretty much

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Post by gravity » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:32 pm

the difference is grime is shite.

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Post by 86. » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:35 pm

Some of the production isnt professionally engineered it seems to me....obviously thats in all genres but I notice a lot of grime is like raw and grimy. Which to me isnt necessarily a bad thing.

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Post by pets bud » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:38 pm

gravity wrote:the difference is grime is shite.
Please elaborate, why do you feel that way? Is it because of low production values.
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Post by magma » Thu Jul 09, 2009 3:38 pm

Grime is more focussed around MCs, although there are instrumentals, it's essentially the British extension of hiphop (fused with garage and other junglist/electronic influences), so instrumentals are the exception rather than the rule.

Dubstep is more about the instrumentals... generally higher production values, but possibly a little bit less fun... and a LOT less aggy.
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Post by FSTZ1 » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:00 pm

gravity wrote:the difference is grime is shite.
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Post by mico viejo » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:01 pm

if u think dubstep sounds like grime its cos dubstep has a huge debt to grime.

lets b honest here, grime is/was made by britain's ethnically mixed working-class, and grime invented this shit. dubstep is mostly made by white middle-class who have ripped off the innovations of grime.

yeah its a huge generalisation that ignores the input of a lot of ppl who have genuinely innovated withing dubstep, but its essentially true.

just look at the ppl on this forum: mostly posh white geeks sitting behind their computers typing "bambaaclaat" from the safety of some provincial backwater

flame away....

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Post by 86. » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:22 pm

Mico Viejo wrote:if u think dubstep sounds like grime its cos dubstep has a huge debt to grime.

lets b honest here, grime is/was made by britain's ethnically mixed working-class, and grime invented this shit. dubstep is mostly made by white middle-class who have ripped off the innovations of grime.

yeah its a huge generalisation that ignores the input of a lot of ppl who have genuinely innovated withing dubstep, but its essentially true.

just look at the ppl on this forum: mostly posh white geeks sitting behind their computers typing "bambaaclaat" from the safety of some provincial backwater

flame away....

this is really funny. especially the last bit.

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Post by Brisance » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:27 pm

Mico Viejo wrote: just look at the ppl on this forum: mostly posh white geeks sitting behind their computers typing "bambaaclaat" from the safety of some provincial backwater

flame away....
you talkin about the other subforums there, mate.

Mico Viejo wrote: "bambaaclaat"
What the fuck does it mean anyway? I have heard it too much to not be curious now.

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Post by gravity » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:35 pm

petS buD wrote:
gravity wrote:the difference is grime is shite.
Please elaborate, why do you feel that way? Is it because of low production values.
yeah its cheap and nasty and has too many horrible fucking mcs

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Post by 86. » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:37 pm

Brisance wrote:
Mico Viejo wrote: just look at the ppl on this forum: mostly posh white geeks sitting behind their computers typing "bambaaclaat" from the safety of some provincial backwater

flame away....
you talkin about the other subforums there, mate.

Mico Viejo wrote: "bambaaclaat"
What the fuck does it mean anyway? I have heard it too much to not be curious now.
It's just cursing...on one hand it's like saying "shit" after you dropped an entire meal on the floor, or found out your girl is cheating on you (for example), or just straight cursing at somebody. I think the "clat" is cloth, "bumba" is bottom...but dont quote me on that.

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Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:39 pm

posh white geek?
I'LL SHANK U BLUD GITME

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Post by deadly_habit » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:40 pm

Depone wrote:
Deadly Habit wrote:grime is a uk rap thing pretty much
Your very much wrong. sorry.
When i think of uk rap (hiphop) think of forien beggaz, Skinnyman etc... These are not grime.

Grime is more of a garage based influence, faster and harder. I cant stand grime in my honest opinion. Its not the music so much, its the wanna be rudeboys that listen to it. You cant get on a bus in london these days with out some shitty grime blaring out of some girls chavvy mobile phone.
when i think uk rap i generally think shit in general so it's easy to lump them together

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Post by jason burns » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:43 pm

this thread lasted this long?

answer) vocals.

that's it and that's all.

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Post by DZA » Thu Jul 09, 2009 4:50 pm

gravity wrote:the difference is grime is shite.
Fail
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Post by dynamat » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:22 pm

Shocked by the lack of knowledge, dubstep does owe a big thankyou to grime no doubt about it and anyone who thinks grime was just 15 year old kids shouting fighting talk at eachother hasnt looked into it enough, which is fair wnough if that was the impression you was on. Initially alot of grime stemmed away from Uk garage to AVOID mc's...Uk garage got all pop musicy and people wanted the dirtyness back so made stuff that wasnt friendly to the melodic party style vocals of uk garage at the time.

No doubt grime got well and truly arse raped by grime crews fighting eachother but the roots were speak for themselves.

Youngstar for instance a classic example of someone wanting to move away from the happy vocaly garage of 98-01 ish times.

Have a listen through the old all star producers, notice the names for a start were theres plenty of now dubstep names.

And anyone who says dubstep took nothing from grime after listening to this is a LIAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3MEgsMHYCo
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Post by gravity » Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:27 pm

The_Dza88 wrote:
gravity wrote:the difference is grime is shite.
Fail
in fact i am correct and you are indeed wrong

i dont deny that dubstep comes to quite a large degree from grime, but tbh you dont need to like the origins of a style of music to like it. jazz comes from gospel music, which i dont like, but i do like jazz. rock comes from blues, which im not particularly into, but i love me a bit of rock music.

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