New to the forum - How do you get accappellas in time?

rich w · Post by **rich w** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:36 pm

Hi all,

I'm new to the forum so just thought I'd introduce myself. I've just started to get into producing Dubstep and I'm using Reason, although I've messed around with Logic and Cubase before.

How do you lot get your accappella's/samples in time? What software/techniques you using?

Cheers Rich

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:42 pm

use a simple bpm calculator to get close to inital bpm of original
see if it's close enough for genre i wanna do
either time stretch, pitch shift or eliminate silence in parts of pella to make it fit

Sinus Sawtooth · Post by **Sinus Sawtooth** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:44 pm

what I do is load em up in renoise, cut them in 1 bar, or 2, or 4, depends on the bpm of the sample and the bpm of the track, stretch them automaticly to the pitch I want (64 steps), then turn off the automatic stretch, find the note it's pitched on (you hear it cuz you had the example from the automated stretch), then finetune it, and start cutting, resampleing et ceteraaaaaaaaa

oh yeah, but because renoise sucks I export them to the allmighty floops

kyran · Post by **kyran** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:50 pm

bpm calculator + ableton live + warp markers.
If I'm using a different host for the track I'll rewire live or I'll render the warped tune to a new wave at the correct tempo and import that into whatever I'm using to make the tune.

karmacazee · Post by **karmacazee** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 12:56 pm

Chop the audio up into every word, sometimes every syllable. Place start of word/syllable on the beatsyou want them to land. Re-pitch every word/syllable to match the melody I want. Gives a weird sort of stuttering effect.

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serox · Post by **serox** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:04 pm

Is it important to match the key of the vox and melody or bassline?

My ears are not that good so I cannot work out what people do when it comes to matching the vox with melody/basslines

deadly_habit · Post by **deadly_habit** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:13 pm

Serox wrote:Is it important to match the key of the vox and melody or bassline?

My ears are not that good so I cannot work out what people do when it comes to matching the vox with melody/basslines

do you have a natural musical ear?
sometimes it's a matter of just messing about till you find something that works and doesn't clash or sound bad and not get all musically technical

the wiggle baron · Post by **the wiggle baron** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:33 pm

not ONE picture of an alpaca and a metronome in the same frame. Fuck google. The internets dead.

krease · Post by **krease** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:33 pm

chop up into bars, time stretch to bar (tempo needs to be similar)

JFK · Post by **JFK** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 1:55 pm

With drum loops and piano loops I export them to Recycle and enter the number of bars the sample reprasents and then using the sensitivity settings put markers at the beginning of each new event (ie each new word in a spoken sample, each drum hit in a drum loop etc) Once thsi is done you can type in the new BPM and export the slices as one sample and Bosh! Roberts your fathers brother.

This doesnt work everytime however. The original BPM of the sample needs to be similar to the BPM of your track or it will sound like dogshit when you slice it up and change the BPM.

Peace

PS: If youre a bit skint dont whatever you do download a cracked copy of Recycle. That would be very naughty.

Sharmaji · Post by **Sharmaji** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:28 pm

ableton live.

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 2:49 pm

You can do it with just about anything if you are clever enough. I used to use a combo of Sound Fordge/Acid/Recycle/Reason and got ok results. Do yourself a favor and get Ableton so you can do all of that in one application.

Biggest tip I can give that no one in this thread has mentioned is get the original version of the song. If you can find the acapella surely you can find the original. Although it happened to me once where I couldn't find the original. Anyaway, load up the original file first and find tempo and warp. Take your acapella and move it with the snap off until it matches up perfect with the vox on the original. Then remove the original. But before you remove the original you may find it easier to find the chord structure using it.

It may very well be more complicated than that, depends on the tune but that is a good starting place.

scooterjack · Post by **scooterjack** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:03 pm

abZ wrote:
Biggest tip I can give that no one in this thread has mentioned is get the original version of the song. If you can find the acapella surely you can find the original. Although it happened to me once where I couldn't find the original. Anyaway, load up the original file first and find tempo and warp. Take your acapella and move it with the snap off until it matches up perfect with the vox on the original. Then remove the original. But before you remove the original you may find it easier to find the chord structure using it.

this is exactly how i do it... usually using either Acid, Ableton, or ProTools (depending on where i'm at)

adam_john · Post by **adam_john** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 4:57 pm

ableton live warp function.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:04 pm

adam_john wrote:ableton live warp function.

warrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp

puts everything else to shame for getting vocals on time

l que · Post by **l que** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:12 am

when i sample vox it is usually from vinyl

i get accapellas from similar tempo tracks and pitch them on the turntable and record them into sound forge them sample them and fine tune it in reason

abZ · Post by **abZ** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:36 am

L Que wrote:when i sample vox it is usually from vinyl

i get accapellas from similar tempo tracks and pitch them on the turntable and record them into sound forge them sample them and fine tune it in reason

I used to do that back when I was getting started on computer production using Reason 1. Where there is a will there is a way.

l que · Post by **l que** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 2:44 am

abZ wrote:
L Que wrote:when i sample vox it is usually from vinyl

i get accapellas from similar tempo tracks and pitch them on the turntable and record them into sound forge them sample them and fine tune it in reason
I used to do that back when I was getting started on computer production using Reason 1. Where there is a will there is a way.

ha, yeah, ive only been using reason for a few months in case u couldnt tell already.LOL

rich w · Post by **rich w** » Thu Jul 16, 2009 12:32 pm

Cheers for all the replies. Looks like Ableton is the way to go - anyone know if the LE version has the warp feature cos money's a bit of an issue at the moment!

I've also heard that Reaper is quite good for this and its cheap - anyone used this before?

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