"War on drugs cannot be won"

trap · Post by **trap** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:50 pm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8175800.stm

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 732917.ece

Remember when cannabis was moved up to class B? I don't think moving cannabis up a class really did much at all, did it? Did the laws change for having it in your posession?

The government are looking into moving MDMA down, making it the same class of cannabis, which seems totally nuts in retrospect.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:52 pm

the war on drugs was won...and drugs won.

hugh · Post by **hugh** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:11 am

i think this can only work if it is coupled with a total regalvanisation of the education budget. The idea should always to make this a personal choice as long as the potential recipient of the drug is fully aware of any potential short or long term dangers of taking any drug. The drug war cannot ever be won as long as the exact reasons and causes of every of potential harm can be pinpointed.
imo

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:19 am

It just means a 20 bag now costs 25.

£160 for an ounce is ridiculous.

trap · Post by **trap** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:41 am

Phase 2 wrote:It just means a 20 bag now costs 25.

£160 for an ounce is ridiculous.

I was talking about this to a mate the other day whilst trying to source some out - they were dark times.

The conspiracy theorist in me likes to think that drugs are illegal because some provoke thought, and that the government would rather have us drinking and acting more yobbish than sitting at home discussing different sides to things that you can interpret with stuff like marijauna. I guess the best example of this is listening to music.

rak'um · Post by **rak'um** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:47 am

I dont know what its like else where but in Newport theyve been busting so many skunk ts factorys and 10 n 20 bag dealers that its now easier to get coke than it is weed. Theres a lot of people making alot of money off drugs and the police havent got a clue whats going on. They have defaintly lost the war, i even heard on the news the other day that the colbumian drug cartels have now bought submerenies to summgle drugs into the us. Theve lost on every leval.

trap · Post by **trap** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:05 am

Sounds like they're winning in Newport. Why do they only deal in tens and twenty?

To be fair, calling it a war is pretty weak - as if it's a really bad situation. Try living in bloody 80's Columbia.

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:07 am

shit where i live its coming in from canada, vermont, maine, NY, cali....

going full force in the US

you cant police thousands of acres of wildlife like there is in maine

thats the problem then isnt it? growing in the city is a sketchy business and your electric bill shows

HamCrescendo · Post by **HamCrescendo** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:12 am

phase 2 · Post by **phase 2** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 3:20 am

It's all a bit silly, as alcohol prohibition failed miserably.

People wanna get high/drunk and they'll do so unless you start executing them for a spliff.

tim d · Post by **tim d** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:02 am

hurlingdervish wrote:the war on drugs was won...and drugs won.

Sad truth

my_war · Post by **my_war** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:16 am

DanRev wrote:

boomstix · Post by **boomstix** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:28 am

they fought the drugs and tha

drugs won

they fought the drugs and tha

DRUGS WON

hurlingdervish · Post by **hurlingdervish** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:02 am

boomstix wrote:they fought the drugs and tha

drugs won

they fought the drugs and tha

DRUGS WON

I needed some weed cuz

I HAD NONE

they fought the drugs and the

DRUGS WON

Whistla · Post by **Whistla** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:58 am

prohibition never works
legalise all drugs, and educate people about there choices
telling people not to do stuff makes people want to do it more

NilsFG · Post by **NilsFG** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:23 pm

DJ Whistla wrote:prohibition never works
legalise all drugs, and educate people about there choices
telling people not to do stuff makes people want to do it more

I wouldn't say legalise all drugs. But it might work.

What I'm afraid of; these times everybody can get stuff like weed etc, even at a very young age.
But when you legalise it, chances are they would be able to get it even easier.
The only way to stop that would be tight control using some kind of "badge" that allows you to buy a quantity of X per week etc etc.

A good system is needed.

Whistla · Post by **Whistla** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:42 pm

yea i will openly admit im a bit of a "freedom extremist" in that i would rather people be able to O.D in the street than be told they cant do something. in this instance i think that education makes the real diff, and the example of for instance a kid seeing some smackhead off his head in a gutter quickly makes them think i dont wanna be that person.

NilsFG · Post by **NilsFG** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 12:54 pm

That's true, but it's sad that there are still stubborn kids that think "It will never go that far with me"

Whistla · Post by **Whistla** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:04 pm

its interesting to look @ Portugal when we talk of this stuff as they has a system whereby users arent breaking the law and wont be arrested for drug use. Everyone was worried that Portugal would become a junkies paradise but the total opposite has happened. There are more people in treatment there than ever, the rates of use are down, and this is in a modern european country.

ashen · Post by **ashen** » Sat Aug 01, 2009 1:11 pm

Legalising all drugs doesnt make much sense. For example, how would the government regulate the distribution of heroin, crack etc? Answer is they wouldnt, simply because no central authority would be able to monopolize the drug business in order to make money.

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