Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:30 pm
turns out graf is a pretty divisive issue for us 'steppers.
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doomstep wrote:Thats fr starters . . . . 2nd the connection between writing and 'ip-'op was generally a geographical one (and overplayed by the media), i.e 1st gen hiphoppers n writers came from the same areas, yes der was bare x-over, many writers attended hiphop jams etc, but many 1st generation writers had nowt t do with hiphop, straight rock heads.The Undisputed Stylemaster Phase 2 wrote:"The overstanding that this is our culture and that we shouldn't let others control how it's perceived and conceived, ... this infantile media concocted label, like that word that they slapped on this culture. ... It was never that. We didn't call it that. We called it writing. Nothing anyone does or says is going to change that. ... The truth, from the simplest sentence, which goes back to us, having already appropriated it as writing, which entails so much more that to a degree its indefinable."
Origanlly writing was pure futurism, almost a direct decendant of the orig. italian movement (minus the politricks) it placed all its emphasis on moving style fwd, these days "graff" has been reduced to a seris of "fonts" repeated ad-infinitum across the globe, as is usually the case when outsiders use third hand sources to mimik folk culture.
You got some nice letters relaks but the problem with "graff" is you cant tell by looking at it where it comes from, it does not reflect locality at all.
Big Up the Sao Paulo man dem still . . . pushing tings foooooorrrrward!!! with der 21stC style.
Im off t work now, sorry bout dat
Exactly how I feel about the hiphop / dubstep aesthetics...boomnoise wrote:i'm not denying the evolution of graf into something else which is removed from it's burner/tagging roots and hip hop connections. what i am saying, in terms of how i view graf; as an artform, as an aesthetic and as an idea, is that i don't see it sitting well with my conception of dubstep and the images it conjures.
conversely, in semiotic terms, most graffiti is very hard to searate from it's roots. trying to leave aside value judgement, the work upthread is archetypal of the iconic graf which came out of hiphop. for me it's proper wildstyle.
i think dubstep's obsession with futurism translates to it's imagery. think tempa and road sleeves, dmz and fwd flyers - all bold colours and crisp lines. i think they've got it spot on. for me most graffi is stuck within some nasty 80s paradigm.
great stuff!!codeine wrote:not strictly speaking graff, and not strictly speaking all dubstep inspired.. i work as an illustrator, and some of it comes from graff roots, some of it comes from elsewhere. as far as i'm concerned, whether it's graff / art or music - the more outside infuences the better. just my opinion..
some stuff we did in osaka a while back: