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Mad EP wrote:I'm gonna have to chime in and say it is just simple 808 and compression as well...

After all, that's pretty much what the Beastie Boys did, and they have yet to be topped in that category - even 25 years later

Beastie Boys?

which track, ill check it:)

Sharmaji wrote:

paradigm x wrote:[

long attack, let the kick thru, then high ratio to keep all the rest at the same level w long release, or as long as the decay anyway.

the punch in this case is really gonna be decided by the release.

Depends what is meant by punch - i was thinking it was the initial attack phase. The long sustained sub will be dictated by the release non?


Ill have a crack at doing this later if i get time, the neve 33609se will almost do it without trying

The good old SPL transient designer would be great too - have you tried a transient designer?

A pitch envelope could do the deal, but I'm almost postive compression alone doesn't. There seems to be a different sound in the kick - and I don't think you can shape the existing frequencies to sound like that with compression alone. I'm really intrigued, please tell us if you ask Loefah and he tells you his secret

iambullet wrote:A pitch envelope could do the deal, but I'm almost postive compression alone doesn't. There seems to be a different sound in the kick - and I don't think you can shape the existing frequencies to sound like that with compression alone. I'm really intrigued, please tell us if you ask Loefah and he tells you his secret

I bene enjoying making beats with an 808 kick but now my kick sounds weak without the punch its putting me off lol

Do you know of any free ware transient designers about?

rubiconguava wrote:Do you know of any free ware transient designers about?

Someone on here sent me these, I think are legit and free!

Dominion - http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.p ... &subItem=4
SPL Transient Designer - http://www.spl.info/en/software/transient-designer

ah ta, just found it before i read the thread haha! the link for freeware one is

http://www.digitalfishphones.com/main.p ... &subItem=4

if anyone else wants it.

just incase your wondering there is pic on loefahs myspace that does look like he using some hardware possibly....

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.c ... D=26361399

serox wrote:

Mad EP wrote:I'm gonna have to chime in and say it is just simple 808 and compression as well...

After all, that's pretty much what the Beastie Boys did, and they have yet to be topped in that category - even 25 years later

Beastie Boys?

which track, ill check it:)

Been remixing most of the day... so haven't had a chance to tune-check for you... but just listen to Licensed to Ill again. There are some breaks (Led Zeppelin, Creedence, etc)... but the drum machines are pretty much 808's. Such amazing stuff was accomplished on that record... simple but powerful. It is true you can hear Rick Rubin's fingerprints all over it (his rock ethos bleeding over hiphop production), but that isn't a bad thing.

While you are at it, also re-listen to Paul's Boutique.... another under-appreciated sonic adventure.

Mad EP cool cheers I will check them out.

Yo - as it turns out, I found Licensed to Ill right near the desk... check-

- Brass Monkey
- Posse in Effect
- Slow Ride


... personally, my fave is Paul Revere, but the whole beat is reversed so it doesn't have the boom.. but is amazing nonetheless.


*** edit: as someone who is always concerned about adding more & more to my own productions, I think it is a great exercise as a producer to re-listen to Paul Revere.. When I was a kid, I liked the track cos I couldn't believe they talked about "doing" a girl with a whiffle-ball bat (this was before hiphop got really dirty, ya'll... it was shocking back in the day)... but as an adult and producer, I can't believe they did such a dope track with a simple 808 beat...REVERSED. If there was a big track on an entirely reversed beat before that, I hadn't heard it. Largeness through simplicity. There is almost nothing to that beat, but it is done so well.... ***

intergalactic has some epic 808s too
also

*whoops double post

Good lord how much more complicated has this gashness become than it ever needed to be.

40secs

I had a play with adm, can get that punch, try 10-20secs attack, high ratio, threshold to suit, release about 800ms sounded good.

I was using the neve 33609 se which only has fixed attack, but sounds mint, willpost mp3

m12 wrote:

Good lord how much more complicated has this gashness become than it ever needed to be.

great post m7

paradigm x wrote:

40secs

I had a play with adm, can get that punch, try 10-20secs attack, high ratio, threshold to suit, release about 800ms sounded good.

I was using the neve 33609 se which only has fixed attack, but sounds mint, willpost mp3

yea if i wasn't being lazy i could prolly pull it in a few mins
try it with spl designer by chance?

SPL is great for emphasising the decay more than the attack, didnt want to use that as it was cheating

I just used the UAD neve 33609 (SE version as it doesnt model the distortion). Prob a bad choice as only has a fixed attack and choice of 4 decays, but its almost built for this (ie adding punch/clout). Ill post mp3s tonight hopefully, really busy atm. Bit of limiter afterward (2-3dB) to tame my overemphasised attacks.

paradigm x wrote:SPL is great for emphasising the decay more than the attack, didnt want to use that as it was cheating

I just used the UAD neve 33609 (SE version as it doesnt model the distortion).

SPL and UAD Neve are hardware?

paradigm x wrote:
I had a play with adm, can get that punch, try 10-20secs attack, high ratio, threshold to suit, release about 800ms sounded good.

I was using the neve 33609 se which only has fixed attack, but sounds mint, willpost mp3

You used the ADM VST with some hardware compression which worked?