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DJL wrote:The other skill you have to learn apart from beatmatching is playing out to a live audience. You need to be able to read the crowd and keep them dancing or if some people look like they are knackered you bring it down a bit etc. The people who get into a 'zone' like youngsta or geeneus are good at feeling the atmosphere in a room and, connecting with the crowd, and then taking them somewhere else. The real top djs are good at this. Don't think it matters what equipment you use to do that.

gotta agree with that bruv

exactly... ableton / traktor / serrato make carrying tunes easier, but won't teach you how to read a crowd, pick the right track for the right moment or work up a dancefloor vibe.

cody wrote:

Digital wrote:

cody wrote:still, tho can you pull up mp3? do the programs have a BUMBAWHEEL button. if not, that would be a heavy addition eh?

Err, yes you can.

Like err, cool.

EXACTLY

and we all come to a wonderful peace...gather round, have a beer, big ups and all that...





until the next time someone brings up thumb drives...and then we shall battle again...yargh!

Konehed wrote: the sonic possibilites of ableton are light years beyond what 2 or 3 decks and a mixer can do...

any sound that can be played from vinyl is possible


Sapphic make mine a Stella please

[quote="flipw"][quote="Konehed"]
the sonic possibilites of ableton are light years beyond what 2 or 3 decks and a mixer can do...[/quote]

:?: any sound that can be played from vinyl is possible
[/quote]

im not talking about the capablity to reproduce sounds
im talking about the ability to make combinations of sounds that decks do not facilitate

Konehed wrote:im not talking about the capablity to reproduce sounds
im talking about the ability to make combinations of sounds that decks do not facilitate

if you had that combination of sound on a vinyl you could play it.
you are right you could not layer as much live. How many tracks can you run with Ableton simultaneous?

my simple approach - I buy records I like and then play them to my friends. If I think a tune needs/would sound better with more filters/effects or a different structure then I do not leave the shop with it.

Do Ableton mixtapes sound better than those done on decks? I am open to persuasion as I've never knowingly downloaded/listened to a mix using Ableton.

my tractor pull mix was done on ableton

i didn't have any other way to do it at the time

there were parts where tones were clashing so i cut loops out of tunes and relooped other parts so it would sound better

as soon as i get torq up n running though i won't be fuckin with ableton for mixes

Is there a button on any of these programs that will give me back all the time I spent learning to beatmatch?

Not Yet..

Soon Come.

Mudfoot))) wrote:Is there a button on any of these programs that will give me back all the time I spent learning to beatmatch?

nope. but all of the time you spent learning how to program, and pick the right tunes, and know when to drop the right tune...all of that is still applicable whether you use decks, laptops or whatnot.

again, it's the PERSON who is the DJ, not the gear.

[quote="flipw"]
you are right you could not layer as much live. How many tracks can you run with Ableton simultaneous?

Do Ableton mixtapes sound better than those done on decks? I am open to persuasion as I've never knowingly downloaded/listened to a mix using Ableton.[/quote]

as many as your soundcard/mixer can facilitate its a fully functional DAW besides being a pseudo-dj'ing application.

digital vs vinyl sound quality is a whole different can of worms... its personal preference i guess. ive heard some stunning mixes in traditional and ableton formats...

it doesnt make anyone a better dj, it just gives dj's new tools to work with.

yeah i been djing for 10 years and after awhile it seems cool to do it in different ways wotev

nothin to prove

flipw wrote:

Konehed wrote:im not talking about the capablity to reproduce sounds
im talking about the ability to make combinations of sounds that decks do not facilitate

if you had that combination of sound on a vinyl you could play it.
you are right you could not layer as much live. How many tracks can you run with Ableton simultaneous?

my simple approach - I buy records I like and then play them to my friends. If I think a tune needs/would sound better with more filters/effects or a different structure then I do not leave the shop with it.

Do Ableton mixtapes sound better than those done on decks? I am open to persuasion as I've never knowingly downloaded/listened to a mix using Ableton.

take a listen (blatant self promo, but they are all ableton sets, and relevant to the topic at hand):

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... highlight=

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t ... highlight=

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=8014&highlight=

Konehed wrote: as many as your soundcard/mixer can facilitate its a fully functional DAW besides being a pseudo-dj'ing application.

so is that 10/100/1000 simultaneous tracks with Ableton running on say your pc/mac? - I honestly don't know but just want to compare to the 3 decks scenario

Konehed wrote: ive heard some stunning mixes in traditional and ableton formats...

it doesnt make anyone a better dj, it just gives dj's new tools to work with.

if the end result is no better then why buy the equipment?
Benefits I see with Ableton is that you could carry more tunes for less weight than a box of vinyl; and you can play tunes that are not available on vinyl - maybe ones you made.
I'm more tempted by Torq/Serato/Final Scratch with same benefits and which look to me more like dj tools than producer tools like Ableton, Reason, Logic etc.

I think there should have been more beef when DJ's stopped playing Discs then we'd have new names for those new performers like:
TJ's - Tape jockeys
MJ's - Mouse jockeys
PJ's - Pyjamas
BJ's - Button Jockeys

Parson and Sapphic - nice1 thanks I will download and listen

torq syncs with reason and ableton too

Parson wrote:torq syncs with reason and ableton too

i have considered getting torq, but it looks like quite the CPU hog. am i offbase? i use serato mostly, but also have FS, but i really like the ideas goin on behind torq...especially the syncing with ableton bit...

tell me more!

hmm i have not ever compared its cpu usage with serato but it has always worked fine on the comp i used it on and serato has always worked fine on the comps i used it on but i haven't had my own setup to really get into stuff like that yet

[quote="flipw"]if the end result is no better then why buy the equipment? [/quote]

did i say one was better than the other?

its up to the individual, i wont fault anyone for choosing either
use what you know, use what makes you happy

Konehed wrote: did i say one was better than the other?

its up to the individual, i wont fault anyone for choosing either
use what you know, use what makes you happy

cool - I think I just read the light years ahead bit and understood it wrong 4 sure you can do loads more with Ableton than decks

Reading my posts I sound like a right luddite (they feared change)

I agree do what makes you happy

we had lots of snow in London today and I went sledging in Richmond park - it was a right laugh