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wayoftheworld wrote:and sure, fruity may be working out great for you on two 22" monitors, but eliminate one of them and shit gets cluttered with windows pretty quick.

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@ Nowaysj

I do believe each daw has a different sound to them. each ones sound engine is coded differently... soo yeah coming from reason back in the day to logic 7. i noticed a BIG diference. you should do a blind test. Did a few with the uni lecturers

@futures_untold

thank you for sharing your reaper theme much appreciated!

Did you manage to install it correctly??

I've never shared it with anyone before, so I'm unsure what the user experience is like for others installing it for the first time?

Patrick

I got the theme installed perfectly took me a bit to realize they changed the directory and there's a button within reaper that sends you there under options haha! I'm just having trouble with the toolbar I did everything the wiki said and have it loaded up into customize toolbars menu it just doesn't let me save it for some odd reason :\ I guess I could live without for now but I LOVE COLOR!

sixth sense wrote:I got the theme installed perfectly took me a bit to realize they changed the directory and there's a button within reaper that sends you there under options haha! I'm just having trouble with the toolbar I did everything the wiki said and have it loaded up into customize toolbars menu it just doesn't let me save it for some odd reason :\ I guess I could live without for now but I LOVE COLOR!

Did you install the SWS extensions too?

I think the colour toolbar relies upon some of the functionality introduced by the SWS extensions...

If not, go onto the Reaper forum and ask Evildragon directly.

Yeah I've got sws installed, within the customize toolbar menu I can see the toolbar at the bottom just the save option doesn't allow me to click it I'll shoot evildragon a pm

futures_untold wrote:

wayoftheworld wrote:and sure, fruity may be working out great for you on two 22" monitors, but eliminate one of them and shit gets cluttered with windows pretty quick.

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AAAHHH!!!!!

Jeez, you scared me there with those two....

Depone wrote:@ Nowaysj

I do believe each daw has a different sound to them. each ones sound engine is coded differently... soo yeah coming from reason back in the day to logic 7. i noticed a BIG diference. you should do a blind test. Did a few with the uni lecturers

they are coded differently but the answer achieved is the same, there is a much more scientific test you can do. take the same wav render in different DAW's then invert polarity of one and then play together and they will cancel each other out.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Depone wrote:@ Nowaysj

I do believe each daw has a different sound to them. each ones sound engine is coded differently... soo yeah coming from reason back in the day to logic 7. i noticed a BIG diference. you should do a blind test. Did a few with the uni lecturers

they are coded differently but the answer achieved is the same, there is a much more scientific test you can do. take the same wav render in different DAW's then invert polarity of one and then play together and they will cancel each other out.

Hmm interesting, But playback engine differs for rendering.

Its like how some people can swear they can hear the diference between iTunes and another app. How much of it is real or not was the point of our discussions at uni.

The Widdler may use reason but I'm sure he must rewire into something else for rendering? Things exported through the Reason mixer sound very flat and strange, ditto for fruity, all top producers I know of that use it rewire into something else to get that clean crisp sound (I.E Benga). That said fruity *does* sound a lot better than reason and it's quite subtle the lack of quality. I use reason myself and love it but for over a year I was constantly stressed about how no matter what I did I couldn't achieve a nice clean quality sound through it, the minute I got ableton my productions started sounding a million times better!

All the other DAWs I'm sure have the same rendering capabilities though their general layout and workflow seems to give them a signature sound in its own right.

(Btw Futures Untold I was just joking I know you don't really work for them XD)

paravrais wrote:The Widdler may use reason but I'm sure he must rewire into something else for rendering? Things exported through the Reason mixer sound very flat and strange, ditto for fruity, all top producers I know of that use it rewire into something else to get that clean crisp sound (I.E Benga). That said fruity *does* sound a lot better than reason and it's quite subtle the lack of quality. I use reason myself and love it but for over a year I was constantly stressed about how no matter what I did I couldn't achieve a nice clean quality sound through it, the minute I got ableton my productions started sounding a million times better!

All the other DAWs I'm sure have the same rendering capabilities though their general layout and workflow seems to give them a signature sound in its own right.

(Btw Futures Untold I was just joking I know you don't really work for them XD)

as far as the widdler doubt it, you can get solid renders from reason if you know your shit. peep icr if ya doubt it. between him and widdler they are edm dons of reason

deadly habit wrote:

paravrais wrote:The Widdler may use reason but I'm sure he must rewire into something else for rendering? Things exported through the Reason mixer sound very flat and strange, ditto for fruity, all top producers I know of that use it rewire into something else to get that clean crisp sound (I.E Benga). That said fruity *does* sound a lot better than reason and it's quite subtle the lack of quality. I use reason myself and love it but for over a year I was constantly stressed about how no matter what I did I couldn't achieve a nice clean quality sound through it, the minute I got ableton my productions started sounding a million times better!

All the other DAWs I'm sure have the same rendering capabilities though their general layout and workflow seems to give them a signature sound in its own right.

(Btw Futures Untold I was just joking I know you don't really work for them XD)

as far as the widdler doubt it, you can get solid renders from reason if you know your shit. peep icr if ya doubt it. between him and widdler they are edm dons of reason

Im going to bet burnt but i would also like to add Funtcase to this list.

Depone wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Depone wrote:@ Nowaysj

I do believe each daw has a different sound to them. each ones sound engine is coded differently... soo yeah coming from reason back in the day to logic 7. i noticed a BIG diference. you should do a blind test. Did a few with the uni lecturers

they are coded differently but the answer achieved is the same, there is a much more scientific test you can do. take the same wav render in different DAW's then invert polarity of one and then play together and they will cancel each other out.

Hmm interesting, But playback engine differs for rendering.

Its like how some people can swear they can hear the diference between iTunes and another app. How much of it is real or not was the point of our discussions at uni.

yeah but which bit matters, the playback engine or the actual render? plus i don't really believe the playback engine differs not on a DAW anyway. on something like itunes though i'm guessing there is probably a eq that is automatically applied to everything that you don't have control over.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Depone wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Depone wrote:@ Nowaysj

I do believe each daw has a different sound to them. each ones sound engine is coded differently... soo yeah coming from reason back in the day to logic 7. i noticed a BIG diference. you should do a blind test. Did a few with the uni lecturers

they are coded differently but the answer achieved is the same, there is a much more scientific test you can do. take the same wav render in different DAW's then invert polarity of one and then play together and they will cancel each other out.

Hmm interesting, But playback engine differs for rendering.

Its like how some people can swear they can hear the diference between iTunes and another app. How much of it is real or not was the point of our discussions at uni.

yeah but which bit matters, the playback engine or the actual render? plus i don't really believe the playback engine differs not on a DAW anyway. on something like itunes though i'm guessing there is probably a eq that is automatically applied to everything that you don't have control over.

The playback engine will determine how you treat the audio, and in turn how the final rendered song sounds. So the playback engine has a direct effect on how you make the music sound. The rendering engine is mathematical so that also depends.

For instance... why do people in recording studios prefer Protools over most other daws? could it be that they are imagining diferences?, or are these the people with such attention to detail that they recognise the diference in sound engines? I will leave you to decide for yourself. Personally, i did hear a diference between reaosn and logic. Even using the same samples in both.

yeah but everything is mathematical, it's digital so it's all a bunch of 1's and 0's being added, how can the playback engine not be mathematical?

as for protools, a great deal of that does have to do with the fact that these studios have the hardware that matches up with protools which makes it loads more powerful, it's also one of the first to become widely adopted which counts for a lot.

also yes lots of people do imagine differences, people on another forum would swear that logic's summing engine was different to cubase until this dude went through and proved they were the same

Dear Depone

I know you know better

Stirring shit fo fun haha!

Well on The Widdlers myspace it is heavily implied that he rewires into logic for his mastering, I know nu:tone and Stenchman definitely rewire as well..and Liam Howlett lol

I'm not trying to hate on reason, I love it, but you just can't get the same mastering quality out of it as you can from rewiring it. Just by opening a project, creating a subtractor and whacking one simple eq on it compared with rewiring to ableton and putting a stock ableton eq on it with the same settings the difference isn't just noticeable it's really quite in your face.

No doubt if you spend a long time working in reason you can really squeeze out the absolute best possible mastering but it still wont be up to the standard of what you can do so much easier and quicker by rewiring. Anyone who had spent a lot of time with reason VS a lot of time with reason rewired would agree.

If needs be I'll even post up some rendered files as demonstration but I don't think it should be necessary XD

Aaaaaaanyway...how is it that half the threads in this forum boil down to people arguing about their DAWs?? Maybe their should just be one constant stickied thread where people can talk about this constantly to try and keep it out of other threads...

Depone wrote:

nitz wrote:

Depone wrote:

nitz wrote:OOOOO i got it

The different parts of the sub are on 3 different channels. That's still abit odd for me, i would have has the sub baseline one one channel but yeah.

This is not me criticizing you, its just me pounding... haha

These channels aren't aux tracks, they are audio tracks that have been split, and the subs in them are slightly different as they are from 3 different bass sounds. So to level them all i have to treat each one individually, then i bussed the whole lot together... blah blah blah

I don't see what you can possibly change on a sub, to treat each sub a bit different..., or for that change to be able to be identified :S Maybe its because am a Reason user haha.

Other then the volume for the sub depending on the note it hit, to keep the level consistent. Although you could just change to velocity or compress to counter act that problem

Sub bass, doesn't always mean a separate sine sub Its the filtered sub bass from synths that are highly rich in harmonics and each sounded slightly different. So again, i needed 4 separate splits.

Right, i know that... i was just testing you mate